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KassOtsimine, derwin: Normally, it’s enough to have a single work that multiple people record. But when there’s a clear cover of a specific arrangement, it makes sense to break the arrangements out into different works (Soft Cell’s “Tainted Love,” Devo’s “Satisfaction,” Franklin’s “Respect,” Hendrix’s “All Along the Watchtower,” etc.).

hehe

not obvious indeed

not sure if I should credit it ot the composer/lyricist or the singers...

hrm.. https://www.discogs.com/release/10149802-Rajesh...

Lotheric: thoughts?

it's always tricky with soundtracks

I really don't know

in this case

I ended up crediting it to the playback singers

which I guess tidal does...

honestly this label is a little too cute with this. some of these artists are very clearly not "unknown"

like this edit is clearly of Tones on Tail...

sounds like a good way to get done for plagiarism.

I mean, they're "edits"

which are, generally, transformative works

but are unlicensed and probably illegal

Could I please get another opinion on this edit? https://musicbrainz.org/edit/85962873

wow, so the zip includes two tracks that aren't listed on bandcamp?

never seen that before.

discogs also, ftr, says that the "japan bonus tracks" are also on the US CD : https://www.discogs.com/release/7480839-I-Am-Ro...

Yeah, I hadn't seen it before, then this week bought a few releases that include unlisted bonus tracks.

Oh, I have made a mistake! This release has a separate "Japanese edition" on Bandcamp, and I didn't notice I was looking at two different pages.

derwin: this is really common

bonus tracks not for streaming [for free] (they appear when you have purchased it)

I've never seen it, and I buy stuff from Bandcamp but I'll take your word for it

aidalgol: aha!

I don't think it's good enough reason to vote the edit down. I would add a pseudo-release for the 10-track Bandcamp personally.

because the actual release is a 12-track release with not every track available free of charge.

no? https://www.discogs.com/release/5140150-I-Am-Ro...

there's a 10 track version of the release

where is the japanese edition on bandcamp?

I'm adding a separate release for this now.

if there's a spotify issue with 10 tracks then I would not touch this release

but I would remove the Bandcamp link, as the actual release upon purchase from Bandcamp reveals an additional two tracks, if that exact bandcamp release linked does indeed have two additional tracks upon purchase.

I'm not sure why they mentioned the Spotify release, because the MusicBrainz release does not link to Spotify; Spotify links to this release.

what do you mean?

ev: I was mistaken. There are two separate releases on Bandcamp that look very similar.

OK. in that case I would cancel the edit to append two additional tracks

I have

https://musicbrainz.org/release/c5580f27-d058-4... <- there is no Spotify link on this release.

so did you purchase the 10-track album on Bandcamp and get two additional tracks?

or was it a different album on Bandcamp that had 12, not 10 tracks visible

Mo, I purchased this one: https://7eptokyo.bandcamp.com/album/touch-tone-...

OK, I see. Wonder what one would do for bandcamp releases that do have an additional track available after purchase. They do exist.

Good question. I just yesterday added a few such releases, and I just entered the track listing as it came in the download.

< aidalgol> I'm not sure why they mentioned the Spotify release, because the MusicBrainz release does not link to Spotify; Spotify links to this release.

because spotify and bandcamp releases are almost always the same digital release if they have the same tracklist

Ah, OK.

and provides support for "there is a 10 track version of the digital release"

as opposed to "all digital versions have 12 tracks" etc.

well, this is quite an arbitrary thing. they're not techincally the same release, but we consider them the same release as a compromise

also, this is not documented anywhere per se, it is like a discogs database 'rule' which came out of discussion on the forums / mailing lists.

i think it is a bit disfunctional in this respect, so not unreasonable for a relative beginner to not be aware of this even after reading the documentation thoroughly.

These are the releases I recently added with unlisted bonus tracks https://musicbrainz.org/release/d58df01a-1bb6-4... https://musicbrainz.org/release/0201b1b6-cd38-4... https://musicbrainz.org/release/2dba2c4e-c8c6-4... https://musicbrainz.org/release/0a47950b-80b2-4...

I'm not certain I entered them correctly after this discussion.

well, sure, in theory we could consider each individual streaming service to be its own release

I think that would be extremely pointless and counterproductive, but it isn't necessarily "wrong"

aidalgol: I think what you did was correct.

there's also the case of the artist posting a release and the label posting a release

should we consider the artist post to bandcamp and the label post different releases?

aidalgol: the listing visible on the bandacmp page (without the two extra tracks int he case of the 34-track release there) should really be seen as a 'preview'

I've never seen them differ, kinda mindblown that they can.

ev: OK, thanks for clarifying.

though I guess if one buys "mans on road" by TRACKS on gets the instrumental as well

so maybe I have.

I would also add any files available in the download to the tracklist in mb, ftr.

iow, the download is more authoritative than the streaming tracklist

I would persoonally advise (you don't have to do this but it wouldn't be unreasonable to do so) adding a pseudo-release with the 32 tracks, then add an annotation to the pseudo release and/or release group making clear what the discrepancy is

derwin: I don't think this is good advice. most of the files available as extra are just PDFs or JPEGs and they should end up as cover art.

it would be very strange indeed to add those as tracks

the exception will be video content but I've never seen this included, although it is possible it could be