Evening (:P) all! Just thinking about dipping my toe into the 'nominating an auto-editor' process for the first time
2022-02-22 05341, 2022
aerozol
Question for all the admins and long-standing auto-editors - is this something to only be done rarely? Or are we keen for heaps of AE's (I am but not sure about MB's approach here)
it's not super rare, but there aren't tons of us. Given that the main feature of being an autoeditor is the ability to make edits that skip the voting step, it's important to nominate people who have been using mbz for a decent amount of time, are familiar with guidelines and unrecorded community decisions in their area of editing, and respond well when corrected about errors they've made.
2022-02-22 05311, 2022
kepstin
i can't remember offhand, but I think lately there's been no more than 5 or so nominations per year, fwiw.
Totally agreed that it has to be a high standard. I'm just wondering if there are a bunch of people that meet that standard if I should just go ahead and nominate (⌐■_■)
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aerozol
I think I will sleep on it and then mnost likely do my first nomination tomorrow
2022-02-22 05335, 2022
kepstin
fwiw, our most active autoeditor nominator is chaban, who seems to have decided that 1 a month is a decent rate :)
2022-02-22 05358, 2022
kepstin
ah, of course, that's who nominated you :)
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aerozol
hehe I can't say I've complained > <
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aerozol
goooooo chaban ;)
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reosarevok
aerozol: generally, I'd say at most two at one time is best (you also need to make sure at least a couple other people agree so you can get seconders and the election can start)
2022-02-22 05329, 2022
reosarevok
But I don't think there's a reason to wait long for the sake of waiting if you're sure someone is ready
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aerozol
thanks reosarevok!
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CatQuest
definitely. if the editor is "ready" cna vary. some people are AE material very soon. others ned "maturing2. probably *A LOT* of people who should be AE and shoudl ahve been for ages are not
2022-02-22 05339, 2022
aerozol
I also feel like there's a few obvious candidates, but I haven't had the guts to nominate :O
2022-02-22 05331, 2022
CatQuest
do it! the worst that cna happen is that they wont be accepted
2022-02-22 05327, 2022
CatQuest
well the absolute worst woudl b that they keep getting nominated several times by seprate people and people not agreeing and they don't evne know it the firsst time
2022-02-22 05327, 2022
CatQuest
me? sore about my own nomination mess? naaah :P
2022-02-22 05314, 2022
CatQuest
it's a silly anecdote by now. and i've proven wrong all the doubters. none of them are evne here anymore. :sta:
2022-02-22 05324, 2022
CatQuest
it's a silly anecdote by now. and i've proven wrong all the doubters. none of them are evne here anymore. 😣
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derwin
I keep thinking I should ask someone to nominate me, but it mostly doesn't matter /shrug
2022-02-22 05319, 2022
derwin
last time I was probably just-not-ready-enough, but that was... a loooong time ago now lol
wow, I was denied as an autoeditor almost 10 years ago now.
2022-02-22 05330, 2022
CatQuest
huh
2022-02-22 05342, 2022
CatQuest
miight be time for another nomination? :3
2022-02-22 05348, 2022
CatQuest
derwin: what's your profile again?
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derwin
regarding what is discussed so far on thread :
2022-02-22 05343, 2022
derwin
- it's true that I don't vote much, I do try to check out open edits for entities I am subscribed to and give people feedback on them, but most of the entities I am subbed to are primarily edited by like, atj and drsaunde and stuff, and so mostly there's nothing to vote on except to vote "yes" which I understand is valid but I mostly don't do.
2022-02-22 05353, 2022
derwin
I also semi-frequently contact editors by pm instead of commenting on edits, for example when I notice a new editor in electronic music who is adding stuff from beatport or discogs but not using an importer. I typically welcome them and point them towards the importers.
2022-02-22 05304, 2022
derwin
- Most of my editing is done via importers and I think it's fair to say that I rely maybe a little too much on the linked sources to provide the data source if anyone is curious. When I'm making a change that seems non-obvious outside of that, I do my best to leave an edit note that explains my reasoning.
2022-02-22 05337, 2022
derwin
I also rely on the fact that I am often discussing specific edits with people here, and don't necessarily put the same effort into the permanent record of edit notes which would be useful to others outside of here.
2022-02-22 05330, 2022
derwin
oh, unrelated, but now as I look through my edits
2022-02-22 05332, 2022
derwin
" according to the guideline it should be a country for persons. "
2022-02-22 05348, 2022
derwin
really? Artists should have location *country* even if their city is known?
2022-02-22 05353, 2022
derwin
- It's also fair to say that I've learned a lot of rules by inference and could refer to guidelines more often than I do. Most of what I do is simple enough that I don't necessarily know when I ought to, and if I wonder, I usually ask here.
2022-02-22 05308, 2022
atj
I think you're best off posting a reply to the thread in Discourse to be honest. I think a lot of autoeditors aren't on IRC.
2022-02-22 05329, 2022
atj
Not the nicest thing to have to do really, but best thing you can do is engage with any criticism, which is what you do here IME.
2022-02-22 05349, 2022
derwin
I don't think I can post in that forum? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the UI
2022-02-22 05304, 2022
derwin
(it's late where I am)
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atj
you're right, sorry. I thought you could reply but not create new posts.
2022-02-22 05356, 2022
atj
Seems a little unfair to not give the proposed editor a right to reply.
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derwin
otoh I sorta understand it too, because then their ability to convice/"orate" is a factor
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atj
well, I think it's reasonable to assume that someone who has been proposed as an ae would respond in good faith.
2022-02-22 05323, 2022
derwin
sure, I'm not suggesting bad faith response, I'm just saying some people are more convincing than others :)
2022-02-22 05328, 2022
atj
I suppose, it just feels like you should be able to respond to specific criticisms. IMO a big part of what makes a good autoeditor is (in addition to have a thorough understanding of the style guidelines) being able to respond constructively to criticism and be pragmatic.
2022-02-22 05307, 2022
derwin
yeah, that is definitely fair, part of the skill is playing well with others
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rdswift
Perhaps start a new thread with your responses (and note that you can't respond in the AE thread).
2022-02-22 05326, 2022
rdswift
Most AEs (including myself) forget that non-AEs can't post in the election threads.
2022-02-22 05340, 2022
CatQuest
or an ae can post a link to the chatlog in the thread (i blame myself if things are going badly becasue i am *really* really* bad at explaining things)
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CatQuest
hm, those comments wheren't that bad really
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CatQuest
i kinda agree with the edit notes.. you cnawrite better ones !
2022-02-22 05309, 2022
CatQuest
(with the caveat that myself I *definitly* used to write very bad editornotes a few years ago)
2022-02-22 05344, 2022
CatQuest
i actually didn't start improving until i came across old edits of my own where i was like "wait, wtf old catcat where did you get this data? what was your's saource. dammit!"
2022-02-22 05341, 2022
atj
I just had a look back through mine and was pleasantly surprised for the most part!
2022-02-22 05350, 2022
atj
The "what would I think if I look back at this edit in 2 years" perspective seems to have paid off
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CatQuest
yes me too
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CatQuest
except it was like 10 years and i was like "wait, wtaf was this???"
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aerozol
Brutal not being able to reply to the public dissection of your editing character in an AE election!
2022-02-22 05305, 2022
CatQuest
is it that bad now?
2022-02-22 05307, 2022
CatQuest
:/
2022-02-22 05319, 2022
aerozol
hah no I don't think so
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aerozol
but it's still rough
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CatQuest
:)
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CatQuest
thanks for reply aerozol
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CatQuest
especially your last point, derwin is always here discussing edits and being open about stuff
2022-02-22 05316, 2022
CatQuest
I wonder if it's because he's not on the forum much so the AE's that hang out there don't know 'im
2022-02-22 05328, 2022
aerozol
yeah there's heaps of editors that are quietly doing good work with edit notes etc, but aren't necessarily keen to jump into a convo about it
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CatQuest
yea
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CatQuest
I mean, usually derwin will show up here and ask for votes/input and will discuss the edits . I usually end up voting or approving some edits becase he made an compelling case here
2022-02-22 05300, 2022
CatQuest
yea
2022-02-22 05324, 2022
CatQuest
wait what's that avatar you have (i think i evne remember it from the anchient previous forum?)
to me, and forgive me if i say this. it seems dicord, (and matrix, and telegram) are just "fancy irc".. like they're irc-like but with bells and wistles.. not saying those aren't cool and evne usefull, just
2022-02-22 05350, 2022
aerozol
they are definitely 'fancy' IRC
2022-02-22 05325, 2022
CatQuest
so in my head it's like "so just use irc! [insert xkcd refrence here]"
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CatQuest
hmm
2022-02-22 05330, 2022
CatQuest
!recall irc
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BrainzBot
I'm sorry, I don't remember "irc", are you sure I should know about it?
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CatQuest
dang yo
2022-02-22 05356, 2022
aerozol
the problem is that people actually use Discord, and don't actually use IRC ;)
