#metabrainz

Anyone left? ... most?

>_>

I know legoktm did something, but not whether he's around.

he just left for lunch

agenda items then, I guess?

Alright!

We usually update the supported browsers list on schema changes.

But we haven't had a schema change this fall, so:

1) Do we update the list regardless?

2) Do we stick with the current list until May?

https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Development/Support... is how the list looks right now.

I would update it regardless

::)

* :)

Do you have access to the GA stats so you can see which browsers make the cut?

yup, it might take some time to generate stats though since GA groups things weirdly

Alright.

Let's skip to the next topic and return to this afterwards then.

GCI! We got accepted!

Woo!

https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Google_Code-in will be the GCI "portal" for MetaBrainz.

\o/

I don't plan on doing too much with it, but leave that for the GCI students.

It does have a list of "mentors" which also include the three administrators, reosarevok, Gentlecat, and myself.

I guess I will add bitmap as an org. admin too, if he wants to join up. :)

sure, why not :)

Besides being able to cover a lot of low-hanging fruits across all out own projects, you may notice sampsyo being on the list of mentors too.

I reached out to beets (that is, sampsyo) to maybe also include some 3rd party MetaBrainz-ying, and it turns out sampsyo had a bunch of smallish tickets involving MetaBrainz things up his sleeve, so we'll have that on our roster too.

I also reacher out to Mopidy, but apart from possibly making a ListenBrainz plugin, Mopidy didn't really have a lot of issues that needed handling.

What's mopidy?

I will try to poke thomasvs of morituri too. I can't remember what JonnyJD_ said about being a mentor when I approached him, but I'm also not sure whether isrcsubmit.py really has any outstanding issues. :)

If anyone can think of other possible 3rd party projects that may be relevant to include, please poke me about it so I can look into it and reach out to them.

I'm personally very excited about this, both because I think it can bring some good energy into MB in the form of getting a bunch of smaller things out of the way, but also in exposing some more people to the larger *BrainzVerse.

+1

So please be sure to be extra lenient towards newbies for the next ~10 weeks. :)

And please let me know (now or later) if you have any questions or concerns about it.

s/about/related to/

Freso: that reminds me, should we look into "moving style and the like to templates" being GCI tasks?

:p

That's a good question!

Anyone else?

;)

reosarevok: I don't know what that entails. If it's a good idea, then I think it sound like something that would be very well suited for one or more GCI tasks.

Well we did talk during the summit about moving docs to static markdown pages somehow

But I can't remember if the decision was "let's do this" or not :p

Also, keep the task suggestions coming at https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Google_Code-in/Tas...

reosarevok: I think the decision was that Leftmost is doing some research into possible ways of going about it.

Oh, ok

So let's see if Leftmost thinks any of the ones which make sense also make GCI sense then :)

If he manages to research it pre-GCI that is. :)

Leftmost: Oh, if you want to offload (some or all? of) the research on that to some GCI students, please let me know!

We do need some more "research" type tasks. :)

("Research the birth name of Taio Cruz")

(:D)

lol

Anyway, if there are no more questions about GCI, maybe bitmap is ready with some updated browser usage stats. :)

looks like safari 7 still meets the 0.5% threshold exactly, so that's unchanged

Chrome would get bumped from 39 to 43

IE8 still has a 0.52% share overall, haven't looked at logged-in-only stats though

Darn IE8.

Nooo

(IE9 has 0.50%)

Can't we round it down? :p)

Firefox would get bumped to 42

er

38

Are there things we would like to do on the web frontend that we cannot do because of IE<10 support?

42 would have been pretty amazing. :)

the only version of opera that registers is Opera Mini 7.6.40234

(these are stats from May 25th until now, btw)

I think we should do 6 month proper, rather than "since last check".

CatCat: ^

I think CatCat and jesus2099 at least are still pretty devout Opera users and active on the site.

right

I'm not sure what version they're on, but they're also both the type who would possibly block GA.

I don't think it's an issue to keep it, anyway

Are there things we want to do on the frontend that is being blocked because of Opera 12 support? If not, let's keep it around until next update at least.

none that I know about

Alright. Anyone else with objections or comments?

Gentlecat or zas?

No objection

Alright. Let's Make It So™ and I'll update the WikiPage.

Thank you for your time!

BANG MOFOS! BANG!

Or, wait.

;)

/BANG

I guess.

bitmap: what is the behavior of musicbrainz.org when requests to search servers are failing ? retries ? until when ?

21:00:27 Freso | Let's go!

22:00:37 Freso | BANG MOFOS! BANG!

10 seconds paste!

*past

Darn!

Sorry for keeping you!

zas: it retries, but not sure exactly how many times

when search servers go down, i have to reduce a lot the incoming queries rate a lot for them to have a chance to recover

they can't restart successfully under load

maybe there's a way we can detect that

i have no idea why search servers died last time, but they couldn't recover alone for sure, and this is something we could perhaps improve (since they are unreliable by nature it seems)

we need to reduce the request rate if search servers don't answer, they need some time (like 5-8 minutes) to restart, if we shoot at them the usual load during the startup ... they die and it starts over until someone does something

Gruh. Just woke up. Thank you, body.

there is a fork of nginx, which has a PR for the slow start feature, but it isn't production-ready, and nginx plus is out of question (overpriced if we only use this feature over the normal nginx)

Freso, making MD i18n a GCI task (acronyms!) isn't a bad idea. Probably a few hours of research.

MD?

Markdown?

Yeah.

Leftmost: Feel free to write up a title, description (≤ 500 characters, excluding MD formatting, speaking of), and a couple of descriptive tags (≤5), and I'll add it to the

... list of tasks.

Okay.

:)

bitmap: hmm, does it make sense to show tags at 0 and less by default when looking at tag lists? https://beta.musicbrainz.org/tag/sillyname/reco...

reosarevok: not sure, I remember it was undecided whether to show or hide them by default, so I went the safe route

I'd think a "see downvoted tags" toggle would make sense

But dunno

zas: perhaps it's a job for ratelimit-server? maybe there's a hacky way to temporarily decrease the global ws limit...

Leftmost: http://benockmore.com:9099/edition/d2c39de3-d88...

Getting a blank page. Console shows "SyntaxError: let is a reserved identifier" in the relationships JS.

(Not entirely blank. Site layout is there, just no content.)

Leftmost: ah yeah I broke it, hang on ;)

Leftmost: try now

Same result.

Can't tell if it's just FF's bad JS caching. Not sure if they ever resolved that.

Leftmost: definitely works now

Same result. Line 105.

Are you testing in FF as well?

No, Chrome

Let me check FF

Oh wow

I was under the impression that the JSX compiler converted ES6 code to ES5

That doesn't seem to be the case :/