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      • reosarevok
        And yeah that stracciatella
      • 2015-11-05 30951, 2015

      • reosarevok wants to go back to BCN already
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      • reosarevok
        Not that I could afford to eat that gelato very often if Google isn't paying :p
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      • Freso
        :)
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      • Freso
        I didn't actually get around to the stracciatella. :/
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      • reosarevok
        I went with the Guardian in the end, since I already had MB and SoundCloud for music and the like
      • 2015-11-05 30933, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Well next time
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      • reosarevok
        Weren't you thinking of moving there?
      • 2015-11-05 30939, 2015

      • Freso
        I was planning to do that on Monday, but then we never went there on Monday.
      • 2015-11-05 30943, 2015

      • reosarevok
        WHAT
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      • Freso
        Yeah.
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      • reosarevok
        You SKIPPED THE GELATO?
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      • Freso
        Ikr. ;_;
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      • reosarevok
        That's... crazy
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      • Freso
        OpenStreetMaps, maybe.
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      • chirlu`
        The basilicum gelato!
      • 2015-11-05 30939, 2015

      • Freso
        Or GeoNames?
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      • reosarevok
        I have enough APIs now! :p
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      • reosarevok
        But we'll probably have another API exercise in the future
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      • reosarevok
        So those are good ideas for then :)
      • 2015-11-05 30909, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Thanks!
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      • reosarevok
        Freso: you do have access to instrument adding, don't you?
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      • reosarevok
        (just remembered that ticket of yours and wanted to make sure since I'm not 100% sure what privilege allows that one)
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: I think that was revoked.
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      • Freso
        (Also, what ticket of mine? I've made a couple...)
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      • reosarevok
        The one about the Irish stuff I commented on (and fixed)
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      • reosarevok
        Take a look. You seem to be a relationship editor and I thought that was the involved priv
      • 2015-11-05 30934, 2015

      • reosarevok
        But maybe not
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      • Freso
        There used to be a separate priv. for the instrument tree, I think.
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      • Freso
        But that was before instruments were entities.
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      • Freso
        I do seem to have access to /instrument/$MBID/edit.
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      • Freso
        Ooh. "written in" <3
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      • reosarevok
        Yay
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      • UmkaDK_
        Hi everyone! :)
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      • reosarevok
        Hi!
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      • reosarevok
        What did we break this time!
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      • Mineo
        *everything*!
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      • UmkaDK_
        Errr… actually, nothing! :D
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      • reosarevok
        Wow. That's been a couple times already that we didn't break stuff!
      • 2015-11-05 30908, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Way to go, us
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      • UmkaDK_
        I'm just being the curious type and wondering if anyone could look into their crystal ball of future postgres updates! :)
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      • reosarevok
        zas, that's probably you
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      • UmkaDK_
        reosarevok: I'm trying to improve!! :)
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      • Freso
        UmkaDK_: We're going to up the pgsql version at next schema change.
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      • Gentlecat
        there was a plan to switch to 9.5 with the next schema change
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      • Gentlecat
        or 9.4, I don't remember
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      • Freso
        I can't remember the specific version though, but I think ... that Gentlecat would probably know. :p
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      • UmkaDK_
        Anyways, you know there was some talk about upgrading to postgresql 9.4 some time in the future… Does anyone know what new posgresql features will be required ...
      • 2015-11-05 30919, 2015

      • Freso
        Oh. Oh well then.
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      • UmkaDK_
        So I guess that means sometime in the … spring 2016?
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      • Freso
        May.
      • 2015-11-05 30911, 2015

      • Freso
        Schema change releases are May and October.
      • 2015-11-05 30925, 2015

      • Freso
        (But we skipped this October.)
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      • UmkaDK_
        Cool, thanks Freso!
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      • UmkaDK_
        I'm just trying to work out the timeline for the database upgrade and what else we'd have to do to prepare for it.
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      • Freso
        UmkaDK_: There will be a blog post about it in January, I believe. Maybe earlier if you beg ruaok to do it sooner.
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      • UmkaDK_
        No worries, I doubt the actual schema upgrade will present more problems then usual. It the database upgrade that I'm worried about. That's why I was asking if anyone knew which new features of pgsql 9.4 will be used.
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      • UmkaDK_
        But I guess I'll just wait for zas :)
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      • zas
        I don't know much on that yet, i guess bitmap or ruaok could do better answers on this
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      • Freso
        UmkaDK_: The JSON data type has been talked about some. Not sure which pgsql version that is from. Or whether we'll end up using it or not.
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      • chirlu`
        I don’t think much in terms of new features will be used at first.
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      • UmkaDK_
        Thanks guys!! I guess I can start looking into JSON data type (just in case), and wait for more info from bitmap or ruaok.
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      • chirlu`
        JSONB perhaps, and upsert if we make the jump to 9.5.
      • 2015-11-05 30947, 2015

      • chirlu`
        We’ll benefit from performance improvements, though, such as index-only scans.
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      • UmkaDK_
        chirlu`: so you reckon I'll get away with running MB on the old db server (at least for a while)?
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      • chirlu`
        Possibly, but there are no guarantees. :-)
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      • chirlu`
        In particular, we’d then probably be looking at the 9.4 or 9.5 documentation when writing new features and might not even notice when we use something that is post-9.1.
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      • UmkaDK_
        Sure, understood! :D
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      • bitmap
        UmkaDK_: I'll probably be looking at jsonb (9.4), upsert (9.5), and materialized views (9.3), but no specific plans yet
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      • bitmap
        certainly possible that some of these new features will be used in the release, because anything that requires downtime will be convenient to upgrade all at once
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      • jesus2099
        Freso: hi Freso. I was reading https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UY5aRFLJE3kZc… and added a coment but I really don’t know how this works…
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      • jesus2099
        I clicked ruaok’s comment « <3 » on MBS-1801 « Rob is not Richard M. Stallman » line and then I wanted to store this comment back as it was bifore (not foreground) so I cliecked a “close” button and now his comment has disappeared ?!
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      • jesus2099
        is it still here for you and just hidden for me ? I don’t know how to revert this…
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      • jesus2099
        When I click Edit>Undo, it undoes MY comment, not my ruaok’s comment’s deletion
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      • UmkaDK_
        thanks bitmap!
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      • bitmap
        hmm, was a ticket ever added for enabling translations in production / adding 'help improve this translation' links?
      • 2015-11-05 30925, 2015

      • bitmap
        enabling them doesn't actually require any MBS changes, so I could do it now even :P but should probably add the links first
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      • reosarevok
        Hmm
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      • reosarevok
        Not for the second at least I don't think
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      • reosarevok
        Also
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      • reosarevok
        Making new mediums not fail a merge was three lines of code?
      • 2015-11-05 30901, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Gah I should have made someone change this back in 2011
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      • bitmap
        apparently so
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      • bitmap
        never saw anyone report it, would've fixed it sooner otherwise :)
      • 2015-11-05 30930, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Also, given the mailing list plan failed, should I re-add us to the jira mail-me-please-thingy?
      • 2015-11-05 30934, 2015

      • reosarevok
        (and see if it actually does)
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      • bitmap
        do we not know what the problem with the groups.io stuff is?
      • 2015-11-05 30935, 2015

      • bitmap
        but sure
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      • reosarevok
        Well I sure don't
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      • reosarevok
        As I mentioned, I saw the mails in the jira mail queue, they didn't appear in the error log, but neither did they make it to groups.io
      • 2015-11-05 30918, 2015

      • reosarevok
        So I'm stuck
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      • bitmap
        ah
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      • reosarevok
        Ok, added, let's fix some ticket and see if it mails :p
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      • bitmap
        :D
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      • reosarevok
        Or well, just add the ticket for those links :p
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      • bitmap
        added...
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      • reosarevok
        Come on jira you can do this
      • 2015-11-05 30912, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Yay got it
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      • reosarevok
        :)
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      • bitmap
        good :)
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      • reosarevok
        Gentlecat: I should add you too, right?
      • 2015-11-05 30901, 2015

      • bitmap did not get any email, wonders if it makes an exception for tickets you enter
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      • reosarevok
        It didn't use to...
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      • reosarevok
        Your username *is* bitmap, yes?
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      • bitmap
        yes
      • 2015-11-05 30949, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Oh
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      • reosarevok
        It didn't use to because it didn't mail us directly but the list
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      • reosarevok
        So yeah, that might be it
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      • bitmap
        okay, we'll see
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      • reosarevok
        bitmap: we don't actually have something to check for ended when writing link phrases, right?
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      • bitmap
        I doubt it
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      • reosarevok
        (was wondering about "{entity1} is/was an anthem of {entity0}")
      • 2015-11-05 30945, 2015

      • reosarevok
        Ok
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      • reosarevok
        Wonder if I should add a ticket or that's too nitpicky
      • 2015-11-05 30916, 2015

      • reosarevok
        (also, "of"? "for"?
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      • reosarevok
        )
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      • bitmap
        hmm. both work I guess
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      • reosarevok
        Ok, I'll keep "of" then since it's what we had
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      • bitmap
        wouldn't that mean two sets of link phrases for all the ones that support dates?
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      • reosarevok
        Well, not necessarily
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      • reosarevok
        I mean, a work was written, not is being/was written
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      • reosarevok
        Basically, we already have stuff like
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      • reosarevok
        The lyrics for {entity1} were {additional:additionally} written in {entity0}
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        (looks so much nicer)
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      • bitmap
        :)
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      • reosarevok
        Or for translator, back when it was an attribute of lyricist it was something like "{translator:translated|wrote the lyrics for}"