#metabrainz

What mailing provider does MB use for notifications? I have had 2 messages go to spam.

Can someone help me with some pip issues when installing metabrainz?

Sure FloorMuse. Shoot away

mildused: you using gmail or?

we send the emails ourselves

bitmap, MetaBrainz Notifications <noreply@metabrainz.org>; for [MetaBrainz] Sign up confirmation

I have Python 3 installed, the latest version, but the install does not go through.

FloorMuse, You have to have Python 2.7

mildused: That was my suspicion of versions not matching. How do I downgrade now?

FloorMuse, It'll be best to run the folder through virtual env. start with `pip install venv`

mildused: Done

mildused: I meant, are you using gmail or something else?

bitmap, yes I am in gmail

ok

FloorMuse, Now cd into the directory and run `virtualenv venv`

mildused: It just made a venv folder. What do I do with that?

FloorMuse, Leave that alone for now. Run `virtualenv -p /usr/bin/python2.7 venv`

That didn't really seem to do anything...

FloorMuse, `source venv/bin/activate`

mildused: Now the terminal says it's under venv. Should it work now?

FloorMuse, Yeah. It's all good. Run your commands again and it should work. If not, just post your queries :)

FloorMuse: Are you using Linux? What distribution?

mildused: Thanks. It's running now. Couldn't have done it without you.

FloorMuse: Also, "installing metabrainz"? What exactly are you trying to get running?

Freso: pi card

FloorMuse, What specifically to do with Picard?

FloorMuse: But what piece of software are you trying to install? When you say "install metabrainz", I'm thinking you're trying to install https://github.com/metabrainz/metabrainz-server

mildused: I've been using it for a while, but I want to try to learn how the program is made cross-platform and possibly make my own edits

Freso: My error :). Although, I have tried to install metabrainz server before, and I don't have the compatible hardware

FloorMuse, Picard is built using QT4. QT4 is a Python cross-platform application and UI framework. You can easily edit the source with a GUI like QTDesigner. If you've used Visual Studio, imagine something similar...

FloorMuse: I'm guessing you're thinking of musicbrainz-server now. ;)

metabrainz-server doesn't really demand a lot of ressources.

*resources

Freso: The recommendations are listed as 2 gigabytes of ram for the VM...

I am running 4gb

FloorMuse: For musicbrainz-server.

Not metabrainz-server.

Ohhh

MetaBrainz has *a lot* of different projects.

So musicbrainz-server does require a lot of hardware?

MusicBrainz is "just" one of these projects.

That may have been what I tried

Not necessarily a lot, but certainly something beefier than an RPi. :)

FloorMuse, Don't worry. I had the same confusion when I first started recently.

Freso: So to install the musicbrainz server, I just install it in VM, and once it boots, it'll all be working?

Nothing extra to install?

I'm on Archy Linux, is that a problem?

Freso, Another one for Arch. Are you keeping track?

FloorMuse: Didn't you just say that you were on a Pi of some sort?

If so, don't even bother trying to get musicbrainz-server running. It will be painful.

mildused: Nope.

No. I was originally trying to make picard running, but it wasn't working until mildused assisted me

but I guess I'll also go with the musicbrainz-server

I'm on a 4gb Arch Linux distro.

FloorMuse: Is there a reason you're not using the picard or picard-git packages?

Freso: You mean the pre configured installations?

Yes.

Freso: Not especially. I may have some plugins I would wish to write

Freso: Are you the boss?

That can be done using a system-installed instance though. :)

Freso: I was not aware of that...

FloorMuse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c

FloorMuse: I see. mildused What role are you? One of the tech geeks?

mildused: And wow youre a fast typer.

FloorMuse: Anyway, I'm the resident community manager. mildused is a prospective student for the Google Code‐in that kicks off next Monday.

mildused: How many wpm?uA

Did I /ignore mildused? o.O

FloorMuse, 110 on a decent day

Oh, no.

Good.

Is Freso talking?

:p

mildused: Well all the best in your Code-In thing... What is that about?

Freso: Where is MetaBrainz based in?

Also http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/11/30/google-c...

FloorMuse: The world.

FloorMuse: Our legal basis is in California, the "CEO" and one of the developers live in Barcelona (Spain), the lead developer lives in (somewhere-I-always-forgot in the US), our system administrator, zas, lives in France, and I'm in Copenhagen, Denmark.

Freso: So you pick two winners for this code in?

Me and the rest of the mentors, yes.

Wow. A pretty decent prize

Are you eligible to participate? :)

I am, but idk if I'd go with the MetaBrainz community for this :( My expertise would rather be suitable for Mediawiki

Oh, and our random jobs guy, reosarevok, lives in Estonia.

FloorMuse: I'm sure they would love to have you. :)

FloorMuse, I understand where youre coming from, and I did some work at Mediawiki just a little bit ago. Regardless, both communities are very active and welcoming. I just feel like I found a better home here. After all, it is your choice, and you should join an organization that suits you and you truly believe in. Think of the contest as just a segue into a bustling coding world.

mildused: Well when you put it like that, in the short time I've been here, I have felt really comfortable. Thanks to you mildused and Freso

:)

mildused: Since we're both in the competition, can we work together?

FloorMuse, The prizes are awarded individually, so Google's rules do not recommend teams, for only one person can win the prize through a group.

FloorMuse: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/f...

But you're perfectly allowed (and encouraged!) to help each other here on IRC and via other channels!

That's what open source and open data is all about: sharing knowledge!

mildused: Umm. I was just looking for a partner to help me get started and maybe guide me through some tasks one the competition starts.

that and getting toasted.. nicely toasted..

FloorMuse, I guess that is fine. As Freso said, it is safe to stick to the IRC and post questions here. Someone is bound to help you out. Oh, btw. We are also given mentors to help us out

@seeAlso https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/f...

FloorMuse: Each task has at least one mentor assigned, but in addition to that mentor, there are a ton of people both here and in #musicbrainz, a lot of whom will be able to help you out with specific questions.

mildused: You think you can help me solve a few tasks once the competition starts?

Just keep in mind that not everybody is around at the same time, even if we try to make sure there's always some around.

FloorMuse, Umm. Sure. I guess. Although we will be competing against each other, I guess I don't mind losing a few tasks in the cause of growing the community.

FloorMuse: As mildused and I said, the tasks you pick have mentors assigned, who are supposed to also help guide you through the task.

Freso: Thanks so much, I have to sign off now.

mildused: Best of luck on the competition. I'm going to kick your butt. Your knowledge of this seems to be quite rudimentary...

mildused: It's a friendly competition though. I'd rather have a winner who may have a few less tasks under their belt because they helped other students (and thus the total sum of tasks completed is higher because of that), than someone who has twice as many done tasks but never interacted positively with their fellow students and actively got in their way etc.

One of the goals of the GCI is also to foster new contributors to the projects, which means that you have to be able to continue to work together after the GCI as well.

See mildused. You're confused. Understand what MusicBrainz is looking for!

That can be difficult if you've been doing hostile competition.

MetaBrainz*

:)

mildused: Stop getting hostile bro

I'm pretty sure this goes for Drupal, Wikimedia, etc. as well.

FloorMuse: They never were though? mildused did offer to help you get started etc. ;)

mildused didn't even understand that number of tasks didn't matter

I didn't say number of tasks don't matter.

I just said it isn't the be-all and end-all of it.

Freso: Don't worry. I'll make sure a joke like mildused doesn't win.

^ that's rather hostile comment though.

Fight fire with fire

But mildused was never hostile?

Freso: Didn't you see what he said. He was reluctant to help me. He said ummm and I guess. He doesn't want to help me truly

He's just looking for points

Freso: mildused doesnt deserve to win if he keeps that up right?

FloorMuse: Because he's new. He has been around for... less than a week? So likely not the one best suited to help you out.

Exactly. He has no knowledge at all of this code for metabrainz projects. How can he offer to help me?

As reluctantly as he did

mildused: Do you know anything about the Metabrainz code?

I have a really diverse github. I can prove that I know more code than you mildused

The coward probably ignored me. I'll fight him at Code-In and ruin his chances

Freso: Thank you for your professional help. Mildused was very unprofessional

mildused: I hope you figure out how code works. Seems like you are scared of competition. I will murder your challenge

FloorMuse: Honestly, between the two of you, you're the one coming off rude and unprofessional.

(uh, yeah, what the hell? "murder your challenge"?)

Freso: Do you agree that mildused was too?

Not really, no.

It is so obvious though

(you seemed to really take it and run with it, even if it were obvious, which it isn't? why assume personal bad faith etc?)

"Trash-talk is a form of boast or insult commonly heard in competitive situations." thanks wikipedia!

Ohh. I can just send him a private message. We will settle this there.