Mineo, Do you have anything written about why you configured things as they are? I am trying to make sure I understand things before I change them. :)
2016-01-06 00624, 2016
CJ_
Mineo, Ah. That is not the commit I had seen previously. :)
2016-01-06 00631, 2016
Freso
I think it'd make sense to split out "site-based inter-user messaging" to be a subtask of MBS-1801. MBS-1801 is gargantuan enough as it is.
2016-01-06 00655, 2016
Gentlecat
I'm asking because it's not really all that simple
2016-01-06 00633, 2016
ruaok
what makes it hard?
2016-01-06 00639, 2016
reosarevok
I mean, isn't it the same as the others? Instead of (or additionally to) sending an email, we send the message to their inbox, same as we would with edit notes
that means we have to implement something on top of this ourselves
2016-01-06 00620, 2016
Gentlecat
what makes things complicated is that we planned to be able to connect using desktop clients or whatever
2016-01-06 00621, 2016
ruaok
if desktop clients complicate this unnecessarily, we can drop this requirement. it is a nice to have.
2016-01-06 00625, 2016
Gentlecat
though it's not the only problem
2016-01-06 00626, 2016
reosarevok would say the main point here is having something that works on the site, and that desktop clients and the like are very secondary and we can happily drop them
2016-01-06 00650, 2016
ruaok
as far as checking implementation details, please mail arc and ask him if he knows what could help us.
2016-01-06 00652, 2016
reosarevok
If people want something that reaches them outside of the MB site... well they have that right now with email, so it's not a huge issue IMO
2016-01-06 00601, 2016
ruaok
reosarevok: +1
2016-01-06 00607, 2016
Gentlecat
even then, if people connect to XMPP server only through the website, we still need a reliable way to archive all the messages
2016-01-06 00625, 2016
ruaok
arc suggested that this was a solved problem.
2016-01-06 00644, 2016
Gentlecat
ruaok: I've been talking to him a bit before about authentication
2016-01-06 00658, 2016
Gentlecat
I think we only just getting closer to figuring this out
2016-01-06 00613, 2016
ruaok
one step at a time. :)
2016-01-06 00655, 2016
Gentlecat
he suggested to use one of the new authentication mechanisms, which uses OAuth
need to enable "folksonomy" in tags, but looks good so far
2016-01-06 00631, 2016
Freso
Why though?
2016-01-06 00648, 2016
zag
I don't think picard writes those tags without it
2016-01-06 00653, 2016
Freso
Composer, conductor, lyricist, etc. are not dependent on "folksonomy".
2016-01-06 00606, 2016
zag
ahh my area of interest is the dj mixer stuff
2016-01-06 00618, 2016
Freso
Folksonomy tags are stuff like "hip hop, fix me, folk, seen live"
2016-01-06 00618, 2016
zag
thats good news though
2016-01-06 00646, 2016
Freso
(I would not be surprised if someone entity had those exact five tags.)
2016-01-06 00651, 2016
Freso
*some
2016-01-06 00657, 2016
zag
hmm ok, the option is very confusing for a new user. even the name is confusing ;)
2016-01-06 00617, 2016
Freso
I don't even see the option you're referring to. :/
2016-01-06 00625, 2016
Freso
Maybe it's been changed since last release?
2016-01-06 00633, 2016
Freso
(I run off the Git code.)
2016-01-06 00645, 2016
Freso
I only see folksonomy under Metadata, not in the Tabs tab.
2016-01-06 00607, 2016
Freso
And there it's "Use folksonomy tags as genre"
2016-01-06 00654, 2016
zag
yeh thats what confused me originally, since we have a lot of n00b users who are going to be expososed to this i need to be able to explain it simply
2016-01-06 00600, 2016
Freso
You will need to enable "Use track/recording relationships" (or whatever the English title is), as that's where a lot of those relationships will be at.
2016-01-06 00615, 2016
Freso
(Under Metadata.)
2016-01-06 00619, 2016
zag
yep got it, thanks
2016-01-06 00653, 2016
Freso
And enable "Use release relationships" for those cases where those info are on the release level. :=)
2016-01-06 00656, 2016
Freso
* :)
2016-01-06 00601, 2016
zag
Will write a guide later, here's the current Kodi/picard guide
silly we have to recomend using a plugin to remove feat. though
2016-01-06 00657, 2016
Freso
zag: I agree. You should just leave it in place.
2016-01-06 00614, 2016
zag
Well our music video scraper fails on any file that features an artist, as it uses title match
2016-01-06 00644, 2016
Freso
Ah, "feat." shouldn't be in title at all.
2016-01-06 00657, 2016
Freso
"feat." should be part of the artist string.
2016-01-06 00625, 2016
zag
Ahh ok, yeh we deal with that using Artists processing
2016-01-06 00649, 2016
zag
its a nightmare as we have to deal with other taggers as well
2016-01-06 00638, 2016
Freso
Only because you don't deal with entities proper to begin with. :) If you said artist=MBID-fallback-ArtistName instead of artist="Artist Name"...
2016-01-06 00605, 2016
Freso
That would also suddenly make handling "One thing to say is that with the remove "feat." plugin it doesn't remove the multiple MBID's from the artist field." very easy.
2016-01-06 00641, 2016
Freso
And would allow all the artists to show up proper, regardless of artist name variations and feat./collab. constellations.
2016-01-06 00607, 2016
Freso
Esp. coupled with the new metadata you're ingesting (if you looked up that MBIDs for those metadata too), you'd be able to look at Dr. Dre in Kodi and see everything he's performed on, groups he's a member of, what he's composed, written lyrics for, mixed, produced, ...
2016-01-06 00635, 2016
zag
yep exactly
2016-01-06 00648, 2016
Freso
(Dr. Dre isn't the best example as that name is relatively unique and he doesn't really do a lot of name variation, but I know of some Danish rapper/producers that juggle multiple aliases that Kodi can't handle properly right now because Kodi handles names rather than MBIDs.)
2016-01-06 00648, 2016
Freso
Anyway, having Kodi use more data from the tags that Picard save is definitely a step in the right direction. So thank you for that, if you had any hand in it. :p
2016-01-06 00602, 2016
zag
Real coolness starts when we can scrape the musician credits (TMCL) and find the drummer of multiple bands
2016-01-06 00618, 2016
Freso
Yes. :)
2016-01-06 00627, 2016
zag
I'm just the tester ;) but prepare for 10 million users coming your way on picard forums hehe
2016-01-06 00641, 2016
Freso
Also, is mastering information saved under the ENGINEER tag?
2016-01-06 00626, 2016
zag
need to check, our coder was interested in classical music mainly
2016-01-06 00648, 2016
Freso
Classical music also gets mastered. :)
2016-01-06 00613, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: ping, read backlog :)
2016-01-06 00632, 2016
Freso
(In case there are other obvious tags that they've left out.)
2016-01-06 00645, 2016
Freso
Stuff like key and tempo might also be interesting for Kodi to parse.
2016-01-06 00626, 2016
Freso
Picard doesn't tag those though (maybe the AcousticBrainz plugin fetches that info though? Has the AB plugin been released yet?), but you might get those from other sources.
2016-01-06 00603, 2016
Freso
E.g., beets has a couple plugins that allows you to gather this information, incl. a fresh-out-of-the-oven AcousticBrainz plugin.
2016-01-06 00648, 2016
Freso
(Could be cool to see all "D mixolydian" tracks in ones collection. :p)
2016-01-06 00648, 2016
zag
one step at a time ;)
2016-01-06 00629, 2016
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2016-01-06 00625, 2016
zas
About Kodi & MB/Picard, be sure to use MBIDs as much as possible, relying on names is inherently broken anyway. Nice to see more work is done in this field :)
2016-01-06 00612, 2016
reosarevok
Freso, zag: will check in a few hours, busy ATM :)
