not that sure, but i could just stop logging on one web server for few minutes to verify it
2016-04-30 12115, 2016
chrisskye
I asked some questions regarding his project. Very defensive. Says you spoke to him, then didn’t reply, then you ruaok called him a ‘dumbass’ on IRC (unaware he is on here).
2016-04-30 12112, 2016
chrisskye
Asking someone to sign-up and what they are doing with our database, I believe is fair. We don’t ask all users to give $$. I do ask for confirmation of non-profit status or general details on the goals in order to determine fairness. -sigh-
2016-04-30 12123, 2016
ruaok
sigh.
2016-04-30 12151, 2016
ruaok
well, clearly this isn't going anywhere. putting him in the penality box is only going to make it worse.
2016-04-30 12122, 2016
ruaok
I think a polite email asking him to stop using musicbrainz and not bother with the link might be the best way forward.
2016-04-30 12124, 2016
chrisskye
Also, if you are building a database of popular music...and somewhere link to us...is it not fair to ask how that metadata was put together? I mean, just for interest even...
2016-04-30 12104, 2016
chrisskye
Yes...but he included a veiled threat to blog about us in a negative way...
2016-04-30 12140, 2016
zas
About db server, using SSD will speed up things by, in the very worst case, a factor x3 (and prolly up to x20 with recent SSD/kernel/postgresql) (based on old HDD/SSD comparison at http://it-blog.5amsolutions.com/2010/08/performan…)
2016-04-30 12116, 2016
zas
And also our local network should be much faster
2016-04-30 12129, 2016
ruaok
so start with 1 DB server one failover?
2016-04-30 12150, 2016
zas
Yes, one master, one slave
2016-04-30 12146, 2016
zas
Those machines have the biggest spec, they need fast CPU/fast and big RAM/fast and big SSD/fast network card
2016-04-30 12118, 2016
zas
About search servers, we can just add another one
2016-04-30 12148, 2016
ruaok
I wonder if we can start with two.
2016-04-30 12152, 2016
ruaok
if we have SOLR in place.
2016-04-30 12105, 2016
ruaok
because when not freaking out, they are at 20% CPU.
2016-04-30 12114, 2016
ruaok
doubling would be 40%.
2016-04-30 12119, 2016
zas
Still they are slow
2016-04-30 12127, 2016
ruaok
I think SSDs might help
2016-04-30 12138, 2016
zas
I think software is just damn inefficient
2016-04-30 12144, 2016
ruaok
yes.
2016-04-30 12156, 2016
ruaok
which is why I want to start small, observe and then grow.
2016-04-30 12119, 2016
ruaok
I mean with vrack, adding a new machine should be near trivial.
2016-04-30 12122, 2016
zas
Ok. so 2, with better specs than current ones, and a third one if not sufficient
2016-04-30 12131, 2016
ruaok
perfect.
2016-04-30 12101, 2016
zas
I think redis machines could be used for stats too
speaking of which, time to head there and see if we have power and see if the net works, if we do have power.
2016-04-30 12119, 2016
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zas
👍
2016-04-30 12111, 2016
reosarevok
Pretty!
2016-04-30 12117, 2016
reosarevok
Not MeB though? :p
2016-04-30 12138, 2016
ruaok
Also not done yet, reosarevok. :-)
2016-04-30 12110, 2016
reosarevok
Do you have THE POWER?
2016-04-30 12121, 2016
KodeStar
ruaok / zas, I still think you should consider using proxmox, it will allow you to officially utilise the servers, especially for something like the redis servers, as you can give cpu priority and assign memory
2016-04-30 12132, 2016
reosarevok
(meh, it's hard to pronounce stuff properly METAL-y when writing)
2016-04-30 12136, 2016
KodeStar
-officiall + efficiently
2016-04-30 12158, 2016
KodeStar
also with servers with a lot of memory you might not notice that big a difference in speed between ssd and hdd if most of you operations are read and the databse fits into ram
2016-04-30 12105, 2016
KodeStar
and if something crashes in 1 container it's not going to bring the whole server down
2016-04-30 12124, 2016
KodeStar
another benefit is the public ip of the container isn't the public ip of the actual server
2016-04-30 12153, 2016
KodeStar
so you could disable ssh completely to the public ip for example and only connect to it via the actual server then "pct enter 100" for example to enter the container
2016-04-30 12126, 2016
ruaok
no power, reosarevok.
2016-04-30 12129, 2016
reosarevok
Aww
2016-04-30 12135, 2016
ruaok
only some more clues for the next puzzle.
2016-04-30 12143, 2016
ruaok
we contracted power a week ago.
2016-04-30 12151, 2016
ruaok
over a week and it was supposed to take a week.
2016-04-30 12109, 2016
reosarevok
A Spanish week? :p
2016-04-30 12111, 2016
ruaok
now, if this is anything like with the water, I need to go to the meter and turn it on. they didn't do that.
2016-04-30 12119, 2016
ruaok
see, I don't know. :)
2016-04-30 12148, 2016
ruaok
there is a door where the power meters might be, but none of the keys that were supposed to open everything open everything.
2016-04-30 12143, 2016
ruaok
so, now we need to go back to the rental agency and figure out how to get access to that. or call the power company and figure out if they actually did turn shit on.
2016-04-30 12157, 2016
ruaok
all I know is that after 2 hours, my fukkits are gone for the day.
2016-04-30 12108, 2016
ruaok
I really want to try the net connection, but I have nothing that can produce 12V for any length of time.
zas: yeah, whenever I want to ask, no one is around.
2016-04-30 12157, 2016
zas
You can easily get 12V from a bunch of 1.5V batteries
2016-04-30 12129, 2016
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2016-04-30 12133, 2016
ruaok
I'd need D cells for that to work well.
2016-04-30 12148, 2016
ruaok
and I dont really care to spend that money on this
2016-04-30 12123, 2016
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2016-04-30 12124, 2016
zas
KodeStar: proxmox looks very interesting
2016-04-30 12104, 2016
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2016-04-30 12151, 2016
KodeStar
zas I use it on my servers (though I haven't attempted a cluster) and it makes things so much easier, if a particular container is using too many resources you can either restrict the resources the container is allowed or move it to another node that has more spare capacity
2016-04-30 12105, 2016
zas
KodeStar: do you use proxmox HA cluster ? it is said it requires 3 physical nodes at least
2016-04-30 12126, 2016
KodeStar
zas, no, I only have 2 servers currently
2016-04-30 12131, 2016
zas
If we go for proxmox, i will set it up for HA cluster
2016-04-30 12137, 2016
KodeStar
so I run them as stand alone
2016-04-30 12107, 2016
KodeStar
it means I cant transfer between nodes without some down time, but that's ok for my needs
2016-04-30 12107, 2016
zas
ruaok: the more i read about proxmox the more i think it would be absolutely great for us, as a far better catchall VM
2016-04-30 12100, 2016
ruaok
good because that xen setup seems to fragile.
2016-04-30 12118, 2016
zas
with 3 physical nodes we'll get a very solid solution, and we can provide sandboxes to our devs (as VMs)
2016-04-30 12131, 2016
zas
our xen machine is a very weak point
2016-04-30 12133, 2016
KodeStar
you can also use kvm if you want to guarantee resources (similar to xen) or you can use lxc containers which are much more efficient
2016-04-30 12101, 2016
KodeStar
tbh i'd only ever use kvm vms if I needed to, like for a windows vm
2016-04-30 12105, 2016
zas
lxc containers would be perfect for mbs dev envs
2016-04-30 12148, 2016
KodeStar
yeah
2016-04-30 12124, 2016
zas
ruaok: i wonder about network links, ideally they have to be redundant, with no single point of failure
KodeStar: i mean between private network machines, ideally we should have 2 network cards, with 2 switchs to interconnect them, to prevent any serious failure of the whole system if a switch fails
2016-04-30 12105, 2016
KodeStar
hmm, you might struggle to get that from any of the budget providers
Well, i mean the most stable and performant is our system, the more we can provide services to big players, so...
2016-04-30 12107, 2016
zas
!m LordSputnik
2016-04-30 12107, 2016
BrainzBot
You're doing good work, LordSputnik!
2016-04-30 12106, 2016
KodeStar
even without a budget it might be difficult, if you want 2 network cards between private network machines, must providers either have a single card for public network or 2 cards, 1 for public network and 1 for private
2016-04-30 12142, 2016
KodeStar
and by budget providers, one you go away from the big 3, you end up paying 2-3x he amount for worse specs
2016-04-30 12121, 2016
zas
KodeStar: atm we have 3 (public + 2 privates) or 2 (private) network cards on most machines
2016-04-30 12145, 2016
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2016-04-30 12146, 2016
KodeStar
lots of typos though, but typing with 1 hand and trying to calm a crying 6 month old with the other, lol
2016-04-30 12102, 2016
zas
ahah, i know that ;)
2016-04-30 12128, 2016
KodeStar
zas, those are your own machines though, you can put what you like in them
2016-04-30 12111, 2016
KodeStar
ovh might allow some customisation though
2016-04-30 12122, 2016
KodeStar
you would have to ask them
2016-04-30 12128, 2016
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2016-04-30 12142, 2016
zas
vRack means we don't have any switch etc.. so the single point of failure is the network card (and those are quite reliable), so till we have redundant machines/services not much an issue
2016-04-30 12102, 2016
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2016-04-30 12127, 2016
zas
Our search servers are very stable, only 7 crashes within 3 hours...
2016-04-30 12129, 2016
KodeStar
sweet, you should talk to google about that, sure they would love to see howyou made it that stable
2016-04-30 12134, 2016
KodeStar
I mean, personally i'd try shooting for a crash every 20 minutes, but that's just me
