Freso: hahahahahahah That is very capitalist/libertarian. ;) My version is more like communism/socialism.
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Freso
Maybe I need to re-read your document, but I don't recall seeing anything about how that would work. From where I'm sitting right now, your system seems kind of... the opposite of transparent.
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Freso
I forget the word.
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Freso
Libertarianism *is* socialism.
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Freso
Don't let the cappies take over our word.
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chrisskye
^depends on who’s definition.
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Freso is a proud libertarian socialist
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chrisskye
Freso: I agree it has to be transparent. That is possible.
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LordSputnik
Freso: are you serious there? :P
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Freso
LordSputnik: Tes.
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Freso
*Yes
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LordSputnik
Libertarianism isn't really socialism
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chrisskye
me/ I’m pretty left-libertarian
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Freso
LordSputnik: It was before US right-wing nutters took over the word.
Libertarianism is trying to minimize state intervention in people's lives and let them be as free as possible to make their own decisions, socialism is about putting the state in charge of ensuring that people are looked after
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Freso
LordSputnik: No. No no no.
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Freso
*Communism* is about "putting the state in charge".
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chrisskye
philosophically...libertarianism is extreme liberalism or belief in liberty/freedom without government intervention
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Freso
Socialism has two primary forks - the authoritarian one (communism) and the libertarian/anti-authoritarian one (anarchism).
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LordSputnik
what about social democracy?
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Freso
It's not socialism.
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chrisskye
left libertarianism questions property rights.
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Freso
Socialism is fundamentally about the right to property.
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Freso
Social democracy does not question this right.
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chrisskye
I was trying to tease...and have opened up a political discussion
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LordSputnik
Yeah I guess so, social democracy is sort of like socialism-lite :P
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chrisskye
Freso: I think we’re on the same political page. ;) So hopefully you understood...
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Freso
(Also, the end-goal of communism is actually anarchism, communists just hold a believe that the only way to reach this, is through a "transition period" with a strong state taking over. The classical anarchist critique is that the state's primary purpose is to keep the state alive ("power corrupts" - but someone in a position of power, and they'll want to stay in that position).)
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chrisskye
Freso: I will give the whole commentary thought...I like to think they can co-exist...
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Freso
(This is what happened in Russia, China, and pretty much everywhere a "communist" revolution has taken place. None of those "communist" states have actually been communist.)
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Freso
chrisskye: 👍
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Freso
chrisskye: And yes, I also think we're on the same political page. :)
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chrisskye
Freso: I like to think that extreme libertarianism also ends at anarchy...I would go at it from there. Communism...no matter the intent...leads to something else...
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LordSputnik
Freso: but can anarchism exist when other states are not anarchist?
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Freso
chrisskye: Anarchy != chaos
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Freso
LordSputnik: That's a good question. If you find the definitive answer, a lot of scholars around the world would love for you to get in touch. :)
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chrisskye
Freso: not if we all chill...
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chrisskye
LordSputnik: I think that anarchists would have to respect the those state’s choice not to be anarchist within the overall universal anarchy...
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Freso
One of primary tenets of anarchism is organisation. Right-wing libertarinism seems to be mostly "each man to their own". (Which is also why anarcho-capitalism is an entirely self-opposing term.)
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LordSputnik
chrisskye: I mean in terms of the countries with powerful states being able to act more quickly and take advantage of the stateless anarchist country
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chrisskye
LordSputnik: I think that happened in Catalunya...Spain just shot all the anarchists...
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Freso
R.I.P.
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Freso
:(
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chrisskye
ok...off to do other work. :)
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Freso
Yeah... I never got around to getting food. :|
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kartikgupta0909
Freso: Could you guide me on how to make wiki under metbrainz/acousticbrainz
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fc7
iggleby: did you manage to build and use the indexes with the search server?
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fc7
I build everyting again using java 1.7 same error while trying to load the indexes
tried to troubleshoot it myself but I'm a java ignorant and even with the help of Zastai I wasn't able to solve it
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fc7
ruaok: if you are around and can have a look too I would really appreciate it :)
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iggleby
Yeah, a few combos worked...... right now I'm using 5b0fc2a from mmd-schema, and e2c77b9 from search-server, and not building the events index since it was breaking
2016-06-06 15803, 2016
iggleby
That works for me for now
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iggleby
But ruaok posted an update on the blog with a war file that works too
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iggleby
it's e2c77b9 as well
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fc7
wow
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fc7
coool
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fc7
let me check that
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iggleby
I think you might need the jar also to build the indexes
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iggleby
But not 100% sure
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fc7
what was the problem?
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iggleby
That might be the way to go until this issue is fixed
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iggleby
Not sure
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fc7
ok
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fc7
will go now and check the blog
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iggleby
Put "--test" at the end of the index building command to just build a small subset so you can see if it all works
a few minutes ago i did that modification to the pom file
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fc7
change provided to compile
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fc7
and recompile
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iggleby
Oh yeah someone mentioned that earlier but I didn't try it
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fc7
now it seems to work???
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iggleby
Oh awesome
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fc7
let me test it and come back
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iggleby
I'll switch to that
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iggleby
I'll give it a shot too
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fc7
yeap
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fc7
just change the pom file
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fc7
mvn clean
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fc7
and then mvn package
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fc7
be right back gonna test it
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fc7
but no more exceptions in jetty
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fc7
let me try an actual query
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fc7
it worked!!!
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fc7
@_@
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fc7
what the......
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iggleby
oh awesome
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fc7
as simple as that?
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fc7
will try it from tomcat now
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fc7
be right back
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iggleby
what version of mmd-schema are you using?
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fc7
4f677727e8e
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fc7
just did a git clone and then a git checkout
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fc7
since ruaok told me that there was a problem with the latest code a few days ago and told me to use that commit
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fc7
without checking that out the search-server will not even build
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fc7
wow man
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fc7
tomcat is also working
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fc7
so using schema 4f677727e8e and changing the pom file seems to solve all the problems
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iggleby
Nice. Yeah it would make sense since it looks like only the url changed in that commit
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Freso
kartikgupta0909: I don't know how. If you don't see an option, you're probably not high enough user level. Make the post and let me know you want it wikified.
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fc7
ok team to cleanup
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kartikgupta0909
oh cool. While registering it asked for an authentication and when I type my username and password id just pops out again
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fc7
i will restore the VM snapshot, rebuild everything (indexes included) with this changes and hopefully that would be all
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fc7
iggleby: is the index updater working for you?
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fc7
i tried a couple of times but it will always tell that there are no updates....weird
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iggleby
Yeah I get the same, but maybe there really are no updates?
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ruaok returns
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iggleby
Like nothing that needs to be indexed?
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ruaok
I'm happy to see the fix... awesome. I'll merge it tomorrow.
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fc7
ruaok: which one? the fix in the pom file?
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ruaok
iggleby: fc7 : the index builder doesn't check to see if anything needs updating, it just builds...
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ruaok
Yeah, pom
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fc7
excellent
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fc7
ruaok: the updater isn't using some live feed package like the db replication?
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ruaok
The updater uses the db. How the db gets updated matters not to the indexer.
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ruaok
If the replication updater says there are no packets, that is s different system.
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fc7
so in a "all-in-one" system do we need to run both cron jobs?
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fc7
one for /home/search/search-server/updater/updateindex.sh
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fc7
and another for /home/musicbrainz/musicbrainz-server/admin/cron/slave.sh
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ruaok
Yes, both
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fc7
excellent
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ruaok
Slave hourly. Update index as often as you want.
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fc7
slave.sh as a hourly job
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fc7
hahahah
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fc7
you read my mind
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fc7
thanks!
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ruaok
Np
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fc7
so it's ok to run both hourly for instance? or we should try not to make them run at the same time
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fc7
let's say one running on every 0 minute
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fc7
and the other on every 30 minute?
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ruaok
The index building takes hours. Running it hourly is... a bad idea.
