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      • bitmap
        but I haven't had time to try it yet
      • 2016-08-15 22854, 2016

      • bitmap
        zas: I think consul/consul-template solves all network questions I had
      • 2016-08-15 22800, 2016

      • bitmap
        I just wasn't sure what it did before :)
      • 2016-08-15 22808, 2016

      • bitmap
        docker-compose creates a network automatically and I wasn't sure how to get containers outside of the compose file into the same network
      • 2016-08-15 22837, 2016

      • zas
        bitmap: about swarm "filters" and constraints, read https://docs.docker.com/swarm/scheduler/filter/
      • 2016-08-15 22823, 2016

      • zas
        bitmap: you can create your own named network, and it is shared within the swarm
      • 2016-08-15 22826, 2016

      • zas
        i'm trying to sort out admin tasks to maintain such swarm up and running, and secured
      • 2016-08-15 22805, 2016

      • zas
        we can achieve something much better than what we have now, with huge scalability (adding/removing a mbs server is one-line command if we use service discovery)
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      • bitmap
        unrelated, but I wonder how many emails we send out from MeB servers per day...
      • 2016-08-15 22831, 2016

      • bitmap
        if we could get a discount from https://www.mailgun.com/ or a similar service instead of running our own smtp server, that'd be great...
      • 2016-08-15 22838, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        having a single SMTP server will definitely be nice
      • 2016-08-15 22849, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        or that even
      • 2016-08-15 22857, 2016

      • bitmap
        spf/dkim/dmarc/etc. are awful to set up and still don't guarantee your messages won't be sent to spam
      • 2016-08-15 22857, 2016

      • bitmap
        I imagine mbs subscription emails are the bulk of our output
      • 2016-08-15 22858, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        could try to use it just for projects other than MB
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      • Gentlecat
        MeB.org probably sends out about 2-4 emails a day
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      • bitmap
        probably a good idea
      • 2016-08-15 22802, 2016

      • bitmap
        if mb used this it'd be interesting to see if the number of support emails from people who never get their email confirmation links drops to nil
      • 2016-08-15 22815, 2016

      • ruaok
        Gentlecat: can you please "the redis_host must be set to "localhost"" on jenkins for LB?
      • 2016-08-15 22835, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        bitmap: I definitely seen some mail from meb go directly into spam
      • 2016-08-15 22808, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        ruaok: done, I think
      • 2016-08-15 22811, 2016

      • bitmap
        I don't think we're doing much to prevent that
      • 2016-08-15 22819, 2016

      • Gentlecat
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      • ruaok
        Gentlecat: thanks.
      • 2016-08-15 22828, 2016

      • bitmap
        though zas did something for discourse on wiley iirc
      • 2016-08-15 22840, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        oh, I need to actually make it localhost
      • 2016-08-15 22847, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        there was no replace
      • 2016-08-15 22858, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        ok, now actually done
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      • CatQuest
        I think we should redesign pretty much *all* our eamils, make them look nicer, less scary (someone has voted on on your..) and more informative (eg subscription)
      • 2016-08-15 22808, 2016

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      • ruaok
        bitmap: regarding the email stuff... I wondering if we have to actually deal with this right now.
      • 2016-08-15 22820, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        I made dockerized CB work with jenkins
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      • ruaok
        move MB to NewHost before dealing with this?
      • 2016-08-15 22836, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        perhaps it would be better to do the same for LB
      • 2016-08-15 22837, 2016

      • CatQuest
        but yea, that can be done *after* moving ot NewHost, surly
      • 2016-08-15 22854, 2016

      • ruaok
        Gentlecat: what steps need to be taken for that?
      • 2016-08-15 22808, 2016

      • CatQuest
        or should that be "moving to Hezner" now, since it's decided?
      • 2016-08-15 22818, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        run containers, copy output, cleanup properly
      • 2016-08-15 22851, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        the problem with email server is that it's hard to make it work right
      • 2016-08-15 22855, 2016

      • bitmap
        well, I have to setup a postfix container otherwise
      • 2016-08-15 22804, 2016

      • bitmap
        there are some existing ones that might work
      • 2016-08-15 22838, 2016

      • ruaok
        if a new email service is the shortest path for getting things done, by all means lets do that.
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      • Gentlecat
        I still need to try that postfix setup, just to have something
      • 2016-08-15 22823, 2016

      • bitmap
        the container I made works but doesn't have DKIM or DMARC set up
      • 2016-08-15 22841, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        right
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      • ruaok
        Gentlecat: what was the invocation for getting jenkins to run tests for an LB branch again?
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      • Gentlecat
        `docker-compose -f docker-compose.test.yml up --build`
      • 2016-08-15 22833, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        though, there's no test setup for LB, as far as I see
      • 2016-08-15 22852, 2016

      • ruaok
        not locally, but on jenkins.
      • 2016-08-15 22823, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        oh, you are not talking about docker, I got confused
      • 2016-08-15 22836, 2016

      • Gentlecat
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      • ruaok
        meh. I dont have an account. wasn't there an IRC invocation?
      • 2016-08-15 22821, 2016

      • ruaok
        I just want the tests for this to run: https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-server…
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      • bitmap
        for now I'm just going to continue setting up https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configu…
      • 2016-08-15 22813, 2016

      • bitmap
        probably slightly faster than figuring out a new service
      • 2016-08-15 22823, 2016

      • ruaok
        hmmm. the VM image is now stuck in a continous loop, downloading the MB data repeatedly.
      • 2016-08-15 22852, 2016

      • Gentlecat
        ah, you need to push or post `test this please`
      • 2016-08-15 22811, 2016

      • ruaok
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      • Gentlecat
        done
      • 2016-08-15 22823, 2016

      • ruaok
        thx, Gentlecat
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      • MBJenkins
        Yippee, build fixed!
      • 2016-08-15 22802, 2016

      • MBJenkins
        Project listenbrainz-server build #180: FIXED in 1 min 42 sec: https://ci.metabrainz.org/job/listenbrainz-server…
      • 2016-08-15 22825, 2016

      • bitmap
        ruaok: trying that first
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      • bitmap
        not sure if this works with multiple domains though
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      • Freso
        ./setup.sh finished!
      • 2016-08-15 22808, 2016

      • ruaok
        good. given that there is not setup.sh, this should give interesting results.
      • 2016-08-15 22834, 2016

      • Freso
        Ikr.
      • 2016-08-15 22856, 2016

      • Freso
        Anyway, if people missed this 11 hours ago, the order for reviews tonight is: Freso, ruaok, reosarevok, bitmap, Gentlecat, zas, LordSputnik, Leftmost, Leo_Verto, alastairp, CatQuest, rahulr, QuoraUK, hellska, kartikgupta0909, armalcolite
      • 2016-08-15 22820, 2016

      • Freso
        Meeting is in ~1¼ hour. Let me know if you want/need on/off.
      • 2016-08-15 22824, 2016

      • Leftmost
        I spent the better part of the week sick and asleep, so I have little to say.
      • 2016-08-15 22846, 2016

      • chirlu
        Being sick was the better part of your week?
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      • chirlu doesn’t want to know about the worse part, then.
      • 2016-08-15 22829, 2016

      • zas
        bitmap: did you see the doc about swarm rolling updates: https://docs.docker.com/engine/swarm/swarm-tutori… . I guess we can do the same with mb servers.
      • 2016-08-15 22851, 2016

      • bitmap
        haven't seen this
      • 2016-08-15 22831, 2016

      • bitmap
        yeah, this would be perfect for mb
      • 2016-08-15 22841, 2016

      • bitmap
        I can imagine cases where weird stuff might happen
      • 2016-08-15 22856, 2016

      • zas
        btw, docker 1.12 has now swarm mode integrated, see https://docs.docker.com/engine/swarm/#/swarm-mode…
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      • bitmap
        e.g. the mbs container is updated, it returns a page referencing common-1d87dc870c.js, but this doesn't exist in the nginx container
      • 2016-08-15 22828, 2016

      • bitmap
        perhaps we should store those in a volume
      • 2016-08-15 22837, 2016

      • bitmap
        yeah, a named volume should work
      • 2016-08-15 22840, 2016

      • zas
        Yes, a data volume is a must in many cases from what i read
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      • zas
        It makes backups easier too
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      • bitmap
        but the volume would need to be shared across containers on different machines, afaik
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      • bitmap
        since an nginx container on one machine can be handling a request for an mbs container on a different machine
      • 2016-08-15 22831, 2016

      • bitmap
        there's probably a way to set it up so that's not the case
      • 2016-08-15 22821, 2016

      • TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: Reviews, GSoC Final Evaluations!! (Freso), MeB PR #234/MEB-38 (Gentlecat), URLs cleanup tests MBS-6378 & URLs standardisation MBS-9044 (Yvanz), splitting Discourse's MB category (Freso)
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      • Freso
        What was changed?
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      • Freso
        Oh, I see.
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      • CatQuest hasnt
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      • CatQuest
        seen
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      • Freso
        #232 → #234
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      • CatQuest
        aha
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      • CatQuest
        well it's 21:02 in my book
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      • CatQuest
        lets go?
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      • ruaok hands a copy of NTP to CatQuest
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      • CatQuest
        ??
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      • ruaok
        network time protocol.
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      • Freso
        Still 2 minutes to go.
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      • ruaok
        it keeps the time in your computer accurate.
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      • CatQuest
        how do?
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      • CatQuest
        hmm
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      • CatQuest
        I had it on, but I turned it of because it keeps setting ot cet whne i don't want it to
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      • Freso
        <BANG>
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      • Freso
        Hi people!
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      • Freso
        A lot of topics for tonight, after a cancelled meeting last week. Let's get rolling!
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      • ruaok drops his e
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      • Freso
        People up for reviews: Freso, ruaok, reosarevok, bitmap, Gentlecat, zas, LordSputnik, Leo_Verto, alastairp, CatQuest, rahulr, QuoraUK, hellska, kartikgupta0909, armalcolite
      • 2016-08-15 22849, 2016

      • Freso
        Freso: Go!
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      • Freso
        In the last two weeks, I…
      • 2016-08-15 22810, 2016

      • Freso
        Did my monthly invoice on time (🙌), dealt with some reported editors, and was around and about.
      • 2016-08-15 22810, 2016

      • Freso
        Finished off the last week at https://musicbrainz.org/event/1c496d19-fe8a-4fcf-… and updated Discourse when I got home.
      • 2016-08-15 22810, 2016

      • Freso
        Spent most of this week doing a school tour and some "open house" stuff with my former dance school.
      • 2016-08-15 22811, 2016

      • Freso
        I also had a lot of additional downtime this week due to replacing the disk in my laptop (120→480 GB), which also involved a file system change (ext4→btrfs) and an encryption schema change (just /home→basically all of /), so it wasn't as straight forward as just `dd` dumping from one disk to the other.
      • 2016-08-15 22811, 2016

      • Freso
        Combined with the dance school stuff, this disk dance took a couple days longer than it had to, but it seems to work smoothly now. 🙌
      • 2016-08-15 22813, 2016

      • Freso
        I also got a bunch of e-mails from DuckDuckGo that they had accepted some !bangs I had submitted a while ago: https://community.metabrainz.org/t/musicbrainz-an…
      • 2016-08-15 22818, 2016

      • Freso
        Basically, DDG now has !bangs for everything the search in the upper-right corner of https://musicbrainz.org/ can search for.
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      • Freso
        I also gave QuoraUK and gcilou access to the MetaBrainz YouTube channel, so now we have:
      • 2016-08-15 22819, 2016

      • Freso
        - a video about BookBrainz' achievements system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZROTq1lY0
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      • Freso
        - published gcilou's video tutorial on the MB relationship editor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koaa7vsTCFo
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      • Freso
        - playlists for different MeB projects: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClC89t81khDKLCVs… (still need more videos to be properly populated, but it's a start :))
      • 2016-08-15 22825, 2016

      • Freso
        fin.
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      • Freso
        ruaok: Go!
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      • reosarevok
        Yay bangs
      • 2016-08-15 22840, 2016

      • ruaok
        I mostly worked on the musicbrainz-vm, which I hope to ship a beta of.
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      • reosarevok
        Yay vms
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      • ruaok
        then I worked with armalcolite on the LB reviews.
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      • Freso
        🙌
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      • ruaok
        I had a chat with Wikimedia, who is keenly interested in our business model.
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      • ruaok
        that was odd and delightful all at the same time.
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      • ruaok
        then I did some emails, biz dev shit and a some minor docker things.
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      • ruaok
        fin.
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      • Freso
        reosarevok!
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      • reosarevok
        Oh gah Spanish time
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      • reosarevok
        I'm traveling around, was in Finland, now visiting family in Spain.