I don't even know how ot report this clusterfuck :(
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Clint
a/win 23
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Clint
argh
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Freso
Clint: Time to change password.
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Clint changes it to Freso1
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yvanz
CatQuest: I encountered the same bug and came to the same conclusion :/
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CatQuest
:o
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CatQuest
if you ping me later yvanz, maybe in 5 hours? we can work together to report this thing
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Zastai
generally speaking, is every gid used in the data model an mbid, or is mbid as a term reserved for gids associated with top-level entities (artist, work, etc)
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Zastai
for example, alias types and work attributes have types which have both text and a gid; are those MBIDs too, or not? (This is for my class library docs)
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Leftmost
Boo. There's a 501(c)(3) whose purpose is to catalog non-profits and make that information available on their site. But they explicitly claim copyright on the data.
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reosarevok
Leftmost: write to them, ask wtf? :p
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Leftmost
Tempted!
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Leftmost
Particularly since they're asking the non-profits they list to contribute to improve their data.
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reosarevok
What's there to lose!
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reosarevok
Oh. Then definitely
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CatQuest
it's graceNot all over again
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ruaok
zas: docker-server-configs is not checked out on boingo. how are we managing SSH keys for checking that out?
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bitmap
I've been adding them manually, I don't know of an automated way
hey, would it be possible to consider purchasing for me https://books.google.no/books/about/The_Grove_Dic… like for adding this data into musicbrainz as instruments, and to put it into the salary in metabrainz as "database enquiery investment" or whatever? :P
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CatQuest
just an idea :D
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CatQuest
they have the 1984 edition (first?) here at the library in Oslo, but it's not for lending (it's huge :o)
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CatQuest
also metabrainz office should own the dictionary of music nad musicians and have it in it's office too :o
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CatQuest
(in all seriousness, it would be awesome to have a (non-online) source of instrument-data to reference too, and wikipedia even sources this :o)
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ruaok
heh.
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Zastai
CatQuest: 3800 pages, nice. Since you're looking at that info anyway, why not make a BookBrainz entry for it? :D
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CatQuest
Zastai: I'd love to, but afaik bookbrainz is.. uhh ded right now?
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CatQuest
also seriouspita to use
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Zastai
amazon uk has it for GBP480 - that's not actually so bad for such a huge thing. And a GBP266 copy with "cosmetic damage" (amazon warehouse deal), which is a signifcant discount.
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CatQuest
the problem for me is the shipping would be like. 3000 or something
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Leo_Verto
Leftmost, seeing as I've been a bit out of touch in the last few months, what's the new BB meeting time now? Back to Saturdays?
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CatQuest
and yea, some "cosmetic damage" I don't really care about
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Zastai
where would it need to ship to? put in my basket and vat+shipping to Belgium makes that GBP291.44 (they must be making a loss on that GBP9.28 shipping)
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Freso
CatQuest: We can't. :/
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Freso
Zastai: Norway.
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CatQuest
well it doesn't have to be *right Now*
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Leo_Verto
501(c)s aren't allowed to send people gifts? D:
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CatQuest
not gifts.. uhm.. for use in adding to the database
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CatQuest
(which I legit is why I wanted it for, no problem to give ot bak to metabrainz if no longer in need of it)
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Zastai
well they could buy it for the MB HQ, and you could travel to barcelona to consult it :)
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Leo_Verto
my guess would be that getting stuff for none-employees is probably not allowed because that'd be an extremely easy way to evade taxes
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CatQuest
well of course, they'd be the ones woh owned it
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chirlu
Leo_Verto: As far as I know, BookBrainz meetings have been folded into the general meetings for now.
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chirlu
Zastai: All MBIDs.
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Zastai
ok, good
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Leo_Verto
chirlu, ah, thanks!
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | Countdown to old servers being taken offline: https://goo.gl/eJxLRC | MeB meeting [next one on 2016-11-14 at 20 UTC] agenda: reviews
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Freso
Thanks chirlu :)
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ruaok
bitmap: boingo deploy key added. search servers running on boingo and prince. on port 62001.
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ruaok
all indexes but freedb and recording indexes present. recording will be updated in an hour or 6.
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Zastai
MB (partial) dates (as returned by the web service) are always YYYY[-MM[-DD]], right? Never subject to i18n? And with empty strings used as "unknown", mainly for end dates?
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CatQuest
right, i've added 4 instruments, disambiguiated one and made reosarevok confused with one. that's 6 instruments! \o/
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CatQuest
(library closes in 10 minutes)
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bitmap
ruaok: ok, I'll have mbs pointing there soon
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chirlu
Zastai: Not completely sure what happens with ????-MM-DD dates and similar. The search server will stop at the first unknown field, but the web service proper may not.
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ruaok
awesome, bitmap
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Zastai
I thought it wasn't allowed to leave off a higher order value like that
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Freso
!m CatQuest (esp. on the confusing reosarevok part)
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BrainzBot
You're doing good work, CatQuest (esp. on the confusing reosarevok part)!
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ruaok
recording indexes pushed.
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chirlu
Zastai: It is allowed, absolutely.
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chirlu
If you only know the birthday, but not the year, for instance.
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Zastai
So I see. Now I have to figure out how ????-11 and ????-??-07 should compare :)
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chirlu
As I said, I’m not sure if the web service will output them.
will have to switch to an older PR branch to see what the json output does (in master it doesn't output any alias dates at all)
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Leftmost
Leo_Verto, there's currently no meeting time set.
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Freso
Zastai: I would probably just ignore less-than-year accuracy dates completely for sorting.
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Zastai
so just consider them all equal?
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chirlu
MBS treats dates without year as “minus infinity”, essentially.
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chirlu
So they sort before dates with years, and there is no defined ordering among them.
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Freso
Zastai: Yeah.
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chirlu
Empty month or day are assumed to be 1.
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Zastai
well, validation does ignore dates where the year is not set (????-11 can be the start date with ????-??-03 as the end date, which would not be the case if the latter was seen as ????-01-03)
hmm, wonder if something changed, murdos discogs userscript stopped working..
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johtso
CallerNo6: any idea if there's a working version?
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CallerNo6
johtso, replace http with https in the ws call you gave, and it works
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CallerNo6
(or am I misunderstanding the question?)
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johtso
yeah, you're spot on there, but the userscript is sending http urls when trying to find related musicbrainz pages to link to
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CallerNo6
oh, sorry. I don't know.
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LordSputnik
Leo_Verto: don't need a cookie notice right now because we're only using them for essential things
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Leo_Verto
okay
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LordSputnik
And I don't know about BrainzBot, I thought I turned it off but maybe not
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Leo_Verto
I'm working on some cosmetic changes for BrainzBot and botbot's project setup still feels pretty weird
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LordSputnik
Leo_Verto: it's completely insane :P
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Leo_Verto
why would you split it into different projects if you have to nest them again to get the thing running?
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Freso
Ask #lincolnloop …
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Leo_Verto
heh
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LordSputnik
It's also a massively over-engineered piece of software :P
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Leo_Verto
well, their instance logs a few hundred channels
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Zastai
My jenkins build on CI has 6 failing tests. The console output doesn't really help; how do I run just those on my machine ("perl -Ilib t/tests.t 176" looks like it wants to run all 409 tests)
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chirlu
Zastai: Read HACKING.md.
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Zastai
aha, thanks
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Zastai
create_test_db.sh fails, unfortunately (ERROR: relation "musicbrainz.instrument" does not exist) during/after trigger creation
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chirlu
That’s strange, the instrument table is certainly part of the schema that create_test_db creates.
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ruaok
woo! I've got a pile more GitHub stickers to share at the office!
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Leftmost
Freso, have you looked at Outreachy in the past?
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Zastai
yeah, initdb is working fine, and the table is there after that. it's just some of the scripts run after that by create_test_db that are messing up. will see if I can figure out where it happens
