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      • github
        [picard] Sophist-UK opened pull request #604: PICARD-936: Separate threadpool for file loads (master...PICARD-936_separate_threadpool_for_file_loads) https://git.io/vDvQ1
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      • ricky_d
        Is it possible to do a fuzzy search on track duration? i.e. something like: http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=rele…
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      • Freso
        ricky_d: I don't know what toolchain you're on, but «If you’re currently using the MusicBrainz web service, please try and switch your program to using beta.musicbrainz.org and see whether your program breaks or not and let us know the status of it.» ( https://blog.musicbrainz.org/2016/05/19/were-actu… )
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      • Freso
        (I guess the July 1 date for AcousticBrainz didn't quite stand up.)
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      • ricky_d
        Freso, Thanks, I'm using the python-musicbrainzngs library, not actually sure which http it uses but will take a look in a bit. (I see in that article that it had issues, but I imagine it's patched by now)
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      • reosarevok
        zas: do you know if there's any issue with Transifex? I'm getting "There was an error connecting to server. Reload", but it might be on my side
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      • reosarevok
        trying to access the Russian project (because of a support question) which I'm not a member of, but I guess if it was a rights issue it'd tell me so :p
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      • Gentlecat
        works here
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      • reosarevok
        Hmm
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      • reosarevok
        Ok
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      • reosarevok
        Then I can tell the guy to go check transifex anyway :)
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      • reosarevok
        Thanks!
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      • Quesito finished emailing all pending & waiting users!
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      • samj1912
        zas Freso: any idea how I can get the associated wikimedia commons image for artists in MB? I am trying to write a new info dialog for picard
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      • gcilou
        Freso: Jake, jvefforts, will also help with the tutorials/intro vids.
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      • Mineo
        samj1912: add url-rels to the includes, like on http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/artist/b2d122f9-eadb-…
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      • samj1912
        Mineo: thanks! :D
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      • samj1912
        zas Mineo how should we deal with this? https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/PICARD-956?…
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      • BrainzBot
        PICARD-956: Picard start: Many 'Module conflict: unregistering previously loaded...' in Debuglog
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      • samj1912
        is there a reason we do not allow tag submissions through picard?
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      • Freso
        samj1912: Do we specifically not allow it? Or was it just never written/added?
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      • samj1912
        I have no idea
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      • Freso would like to be able to edit tags via Picard
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      • Freso
        samj1912: Well, if you don't see any code/comments specifically blocking it, then it's probably the latter. :)
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      • samj1912
        Freso: I when I first installed picard thought the submit button allowed me to submit my edited tags
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      • Freso
        Once thing to be wary about is that tags can go on so many levels though.
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      • Freso
        samj1912: Which was the reason for changing that button's text and icon. ;)
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      • Freso
        Oh. You mean tags such as "artist" etc.?
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      • samj1912
        yeah
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      • samj1912
        yup
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      • Freso
        Right. There's no web service/API for editing MB data.
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      • Freso was talking about https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Folksonomy_Tagging
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      • samj1912
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      • samj1912
        I am just taking a look at the WS for the first time today
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      • samj1912
        I thought these were the usual 'tags'
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      • samj1912
        no wonder i thought the example was a bit vague :P
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      • Freso
        They are the usual "tags". In MB terms.
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      • samj1912
        hmmm
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      • samj1912
        I still cant find the tag endpoint in picard webservice
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      • Freso
        I think Picard can only read tags, not send/submit/edit them.
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      • reosarevok
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      • samj1912
        yeah, would it be useful to have that functionality?
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      • reosarevok
        Hmm. Given how dodgy acoustid submissions can be sometimes, I wonder how good the tags would end up being
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      • Mineo
        we have trouble getting people to understand the release and relationship editors on the website in their entirety, I wouldn't try to make yet another interface for it :)
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      • Freso
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      • BrainzBot
        MBS-211: Implement editing via the webservice
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: Folksonomy tags or file tags?
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      • samj1912
        hmm, so I would have to write the WS api for editing first if I wanna do anything about it:P
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      • Freso
        Well, not for editing folksonomy tags.
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      • samj1912
        yeah, that can be implemented
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      • Quesito
        reosarevok: thank you that data helped my political mood.....
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      • Freso
        CallerNo6 Wildwatz (where's he gone??): Is https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-5307 actionable? I notice that CallerNo6 used to have it assigned to him, but...
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      • BrainzBot
        MBS-5307: ws/2 documentation is incomplete and confusing
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      • zas
        bitmap: ping
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      • bitmap
        zas: pong
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      • zas
        There are issues with the web service, not sure what is going on
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      • zas
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      • zas
        since 3 days we have an increase in 503s and a bump in 400s for search
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      • zas
        ws gzipped response ratio changed, i have no explanation
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      • zas
        i guess some backends is misbehaving
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      • zas
        at the same time we have a significant increase in 200s from backends, showing much more traffic than usual
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      • bitmap
        any idea where the traffic is coming from?
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      • zas
        i didn't dig the logs yet
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      • bitmap
        wouldn't it be normal for 503s to increase in that case?
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      • Freso
        samj1912: I think you asked earlier about issues blocking the 1.4 release? https://github.com/metabrainz/picard/pull/597#iss…
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      • Freso
        I think that @Freso guy on Twitter is a bot, liking all the @metabrainz tweets.
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      • bitmap
        since we return 503 for exceeding the rate limits
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      • zas
        yes, it makes sense
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      • zas
        though this sudden increase in traffic isn't explained yet
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      • Gentlecat
        anshuman73: yes, something is wrong with avatars on that page
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      • Gentlecat
        you can look into that if you want
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      • anshuman73
        Gentlecat: I'll try to, might be difficult for a while due to ongoing exams.
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      • CallerNo6
        Freso, it's doable, especially if I have somebody to go to with questions. Any volunteers?
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      • CallerNo6
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      • BrainzBot
        MBS-5307: ws/2 documentation is incomplete and confusing
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      • CallerNo6
        Oh, on that topic, when/if Gentlecat can show me how lucene scoring is being done that'd be great.
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      • Freso
        Quesito: Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
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      • Quesito
        thanks Freso!
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      • Gentlecat
        CallerNo6: probably better to ask Mineo for now
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      • Freso
        Quesito: Basically they're setting up a copy of the database without the web frontend and making their own frontend to the database.
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      • CallerNo6
        Not the vanilla scoring, but how aliases are weighed and stuff like that. The secret sauce.
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      • CallerNo6
        Gentlecat, roger.
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      • Freso
        (Is my reading of that.)
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      • Quesito
        But we are cool with that right?
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      • Freso
        Sure.
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      • Freso
        The data is public domain/CC0. They can do whatever they want with it. :)
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      • Freso
        (As long as it doesn't cause harm to the project.)
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      • Quesito
        Coolio! still getting the lay of the tech lino land!
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      • Quesito
        lingo
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      • CallerNo6
        lingo.append("Coolio")
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      • Freso
        samj1912: Btw, re: editable ws / ws/3, it would be a pretty big project for GSoC, but we have talked before of separating out the ws so that it can be run separately from the website itself. Which means that ws/3 could, for example, be written in Python.
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      • Freso
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      • CallerNo6 would be hecka into that ^
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      • Quesito
        LOL!!!!
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      • Gentlecat
        mayhem/zas: can I get solr.metabrianz.org?
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      • zas
        Gentlecat: sure, pointing on gateways ?
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      • Freso
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      • zas
        ahah ;)
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      • Gentlecat
        yeah
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      • Gentlecat
        or musicbrainz.org actually
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      • zas
        solr.mb.o ? ok ?
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      • Freso
        Would it make sense to use the same SOLR for MB, BB, CrB, ... ?
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      • Freso has no clue
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      • Freso
        Eh. CcB?
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      • Gentlecat
        zas: yep
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      • Freso has no clue what to WIP abbrev. for CircuitBrainz is either
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      • Freso
        *the
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      • Gentlecat
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      • zas
        it looks ok to me
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      • Gentlecat
        cool
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      • zas
        Gentlecat: name added; it will take few minutes before it is usable
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      • samj1912_riot[m]
        Freso that might be interesting to code
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      • samj1912_riot[m]
        That will be a large amount of code though, transferring the existing code base and then adding on it
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      • Freso
        samj1912_riot[m]: ws/3 would be a whole new codebase though.
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      • Freso
        ws/3 will be fundamentally different from ws/2.
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      • samj1912_riot[m]
        Yeah, but it will have to provide all of the current end points no?
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      • Freso
        I don't know how much of the ws/3 discussion exists in ticket form, but some of the differences is that we want ws/3 to more atomic - ie., smaller but more requests. Also a more dynamic rate limiting system, instead of the 1 req/s one.
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      • Freso
        No.
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      • Freso
        ws/3 is not ws/2.1 :)
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      • samj1912_riot[m]
        Hmmm
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      • Freso
        samj1912_riot[m]: FWIW, I would *not* recommend that you pursue this as a GSoC project. At least not at this stage.
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      • Freso
        ws/3 is still very much undefined and with everything else going on right now, I don't think it will have had enough discussion around it to be implementable by the end of the summer.
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      • CallerNo6
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      • ocharles
        now there's a document I haven't seen for a long time
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      • Freso
        (If discussion is started now and tickets are made for wishlist etc., it *could* be a potential GSoC 2018 project.)
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      • Freso
        A wild ocharles appeared!
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      • ocharles
        What a lurker
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      • Freso
        :o
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