El español de todos estos no va muy allá aún, pero están trabajando en ello, como Aznar y Bush
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reosarevok
No, el único español soy yo, que fue el que salió de España corriendo :D
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antlarr
ah jeje
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Freso 🙄
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reosarevok
mayhem es alemán, Freso danés, donalastairp de Nueva Zelanda (si no recuerdo mal), Gentlecat es ruso, y Quesito americana... creo :)
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mayhem
sí, reosarevok.
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Freso
Sí.
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Quesito
Si
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antlarr
:)
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mayhem
iliekcomputers: on the first paragraph:
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mayhem
> Last.fm currently shows top artists, top albums and top tracks on the user page, with the flat list of listens that ListenBrainz already has. On artist and album pages, it shows top listeners and top tracks prominently.
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mayhem
the first sentence is confusing. it mentions both last.fm and listenbrainz.
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mayhem
I think one thing we should do is explain in much more detail what each of these graphs is supposed to show.
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mayhem
there are 3 classes of graphs we're going to have: per user stats -- what did the user listen to, which artists/releases-groups were popular with that user.
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mayhem
and then entity pages (artists, release-groups) that show how popular that artist is overall and which users are top listeners.
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mayhem
and the third being other things that are neither user nor artist centric. I can't think of any examples right now.
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mayhem
I'd like to see these graphs described in more detail, please.
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iliekcomputers
mayhem: maybe an overall genre graph of the site entirely i.e tag popularity on the site, that could fit in the third category
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mayhem
sure.
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mayhem
so, that is your first todo.
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mayhem
second, lets chat about bigquery.
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iliekcomputers
Okay, I will try to get some images and more descriptions of the graph
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iliekcomputers
mayhem: yes please
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mayhem
there is a lot of uncertainty around this just now. we simply do not know how to best do this yet.
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mayhem
but, I think a first cut should look roughly like this:
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mayhem
create a set of scripts that get fired off from cron periodically.
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mayhem
these scripts wake up and calculate the stats for a set of users.
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mayhem
the results should then be stored somewhere -- could be PG, could be redis. we need to discuss.
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mayhem
where somewhere really means "on our server"
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mayhem
then we serve/render the results from our server.
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iliekcomputers
Redis would be faster, I think
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mayhem
redis has a direct cost implication, possibly.
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mayhem
BiqQuery is free for the first 5TB of traffic. We will get more free traffic from Google, but let's assume that our user of BigQuery won't be fully free. there may be some cost associated with it.
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mayhem
so, if we spent $20 to calculate monthly charts for a pile of users and then we need to restart redis, then what happens?
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mayhem
we have no graphs to show to our users in the meantime and we're out $20.
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mayhem
with me so far?
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iliekcomputers
yeah, that is bad :/
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mayhem
not terrible, but it speaks more for postgres, I think.
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iliekcomputers
mayhem: redis can be made persistent though, right?
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mayhem
we need to make redis persistent as well, so that might be an option.
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mayhem
:)
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mayhem
this topic would be good for you to think about more.
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mayhem
but, you can see how calculating stats becomes a batch operation, no a live operation.
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mayhem
I envision calculating monthly stats for anyone who logged in in the past month.
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mayhem
we'll just have them ready, calculate them on the 1st of every month. or maybe every monday.
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mayhem
just a matter of when we run the cron jobs.
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mayhem
now, what if an established user comes in after not having visited in a month?
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iliekcomputers
every week at least would be more preferable to me, but it depends on the money we have I guess
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mayhem
money, time, google's generosity, lots of things.
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iliekcomputers
mayhem: we put her in some kind of queue, i guess
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mayhem
really hard to predict right now. let's make it flexible so we can adjust as needed.
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mayhem
yep, a queue.
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mayhem
show the old graphs with a fat note: hi! Welcome back. We haven't seen you in a while, so we didn't compute your graphs. we're doing that now. they'll be ready shortly.
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mayhem
once they are ready and the user reloads, we show updated graphs.
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iliekcomputers
sounds good to me
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mayhem
does that give you with which to plan your proposal?
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iliekcomputers
mayhem: one more minor implementation detail about the graphs
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mayhem
shoot
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iliekcomputers
Is it okay if we use some charting library based off d3 or would you prefer to roll our own charts using vanilla d3?
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iliekcomputers
I came across plotly after some searches and it looked okay to me
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mayhem
I use plotly myself for personal use.
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mayhem
I like it, but it is a paid solution, no?
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mayhem
I would prefer to stick with just a set of libraries, wether plain vanilla, derivative, or plugin enhanced.
really, any open source library should do fine. but this is a decision I would like to get community feedback on.
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mayhem
see if people have used the various libraries and if there are things for us to watch out for.
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iliekcomputers
okay, I think I'll make a post on discourse about it. people on irc can chime in here also
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mayhem
good plan.
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iliekcomputers
we can run scripts for artists and albums etc also, but I'll have to think about how to choose which artists we generate when.
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mayhem
yep.
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github
[musicbrainz-server] reosarevok opened pull request #460: MBS-9176: make Create RG form consistent with others (and less ugly) (master...mbs-9176) https://git.io/vDwbr
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iliekcomputers
mayhem: thanks for the help, I'll get back to you with a more complete proposal in a few days hopefully :)
MBS-8820: An artist with only event rels has a fully blank relationships page
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Freso
I'm not sure the task was added at all.
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Freso
I see the "GCI" label as a way to find GCI task suitable tickets, so it might just have been deemed GCI suitable, but since it isn't currently actionable, not added as a task?
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: reviews, spam(mers) (zas), MBS-9062: Convert Spotify URLs (yvanz), MBS-8820 (reo)
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[musicbrainz-server] reosarevok opened pull request #461: MBS-9166: make guess case ignore "Early" unless already in parens (master...mbs-9166) https://git.io/vDwAM
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Freso
Whoa. Look at reo go!
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Freso
There'll be no more open MBS tickets left soon!
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Freso
:p
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yvanz
reosarevok: No option had been decided.
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reosarevok
Ok :)
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yvanz
GCI labels on MBS tickets were for actual GCI tasks, not just suitable ones.
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Freso
yvanz: That's how you used them, sure. Gentlecat and I used them for GCI suitable tasks, so that they're also easy to find in 8 months.
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yvanz
But you did not use it for MBS project.
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Freso
Labels are not project-specific.
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yvanz
Freso: That was just an attempt to provide an useful answer to “it might just have been deemed GCI suitable, but since it isn't currently actionable, not added as a task?” I did not comment the way you use it.
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donalastairp
reosarevok: no sabes como decir neozelandés?
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reosarevok
donalastairp: nunca recuerdo si eres de NZ pero viviste en Canadá, o al revés :)
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donalastairp
that's the one
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donalastairp
I was just pointing out that for me you said the country name, while everyone else you said their nationalities
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reosarevok
Oh
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reosarevok
For some reason it came out like that. I do know the nationality, but it's not the first thing in my head, maybe because it sounds a bit weird :)
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donalastairp
yeah
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donalastairp
for me "soy de nueva zealanda" is much easier to remember and say
reosarevok: On the right side at the top of the view (ie., it moves along with the scrolling), there should be a wrench icon. Click that, "Select Posts...", select the posts, then "Move to a different (new) topic" (or something like that).
