#metabrainz

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      • reosarevok
        Well, we link to WD mostly nowadays anyway :)
      • Quesito
        try google search? https://www.google.es/search?sclient=psy-ab&...
      • ruaok
        well, we're planing a publicity push on this very soon. maybe just hold off on it until that is done?
      • reosarevok
        Well, I think it makes sense to improve it a bit now
      • Then when people go look when we do the PR stuff, they'll see more info in the first place they'll check :p
      • SothoTalKer
        well, I got no pressure
      • Quesito
        ruaok: dont you think we should improve stuff bfore a PR push?
      • SothoTalKer
        making a neutral article is not so easy
      • kepstin
        chicken and egg problem, you need the pr push to get stuff written which can be referenced on musicbrainz :)
      • on wikipedia*
      • ruaok
        and seriously, an org that has a supporters list like MeB and has 40M requests per day and serves large swaths of open source project isn't notable without fucking media validation?
      • SothoTalKer
        ruaok: yes.
      • ruaok
        bullshit.
      • reosarevok
        Well, we haven't been removed, so they don't hate us :p
      • SothoTalKer
        they even accept MB as an authority
      • Quesito
        reosarevok: good on being positive :P
      • reosarevok
        I guess it's more "what to write about while linking to reliable sources"
      • ruaok
        given that we're actually friends with Wikimedia, this is good, I suppose.
      • ruaok takes his grumpy ass to bed
      • SothoTalKer
        ruaok: some more stuff about the history of MeB would be nice, though ;)
      • reosarevok
        Quesito: I'm trying! Ask ruaok, this is my positive version :p
      • Quesito
        I wasn't being sarcastic...of which typically i am!
      • kepstin
        hmm. the main problem is that it's really hard to separate metabrainz from musicbrainz for a lot of the stuff, particularly historically
      • reosarevok
        (yay, replication reached Feb 19. three days to go!)
      • Yeah, I mean for most purposes MeB is still just MB
      • kepstin
        like, the cake was for an invoice for musicbrainz data, cover art archive is linked to muscibrainz and covered on the musicbrainz page
      • reosarevok
        At least as far as the public knows
      • AcousticBrainz might have some academia mentions?
      • Dunno
      • Quesito
        kepstin: i was trying to begin fixing the CAA stuff today.
      • reosarevok: maybe some published papers?
      • I am trying to learn about each of the products as fast a possible to have an overview and start fixing some of these things for better clarity and cohesion.
      • kepstin
        for reference, a page for a similar type of "foundation backing open source projects" is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation
      • CallerNo6
        tangent: "based in Orinda, CA"? unexpected.
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      • CallerNo6 notes that most of the references on that page are press releases
      • ... or wiki.gnome pages
      • kepstin
        it's kind of silly that you log into metabrainz with a musicbrainz account :)
      • Quesito
        kepstin: a bit silly indeed.
      • SothoTalKer
        it should be the other way ;)
      • convert all MB accounts to MeB accounts :D
      • ruaok
        thats planned, yes.
      • SothoTalKer
        how can someone become a member of the foundation? :-)
      • ruaok
        it is not a membership foundation.
      • you can become a sponsor, donor or supporter.
      • SothoTalKer
        i want my data back =(
      • reosarevok
        SothoTalKer: you're in luck, it's CC0, go take it!
      • SothoTalKer
        yay.
      • Quesito
        do we do this anymore? https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Community_Project
      • (these)
      • reosarevok
        Rarely
      • Although there was reasonable interest in the forum in bringing back cleanups, but possibly integrated with the website somehow
      • reosarevok assumes those would work well with gamification - "Cleaned up five releases in the Great Mozart Cleanup!" kind of stuff
      • reosarevok goes to sleep, for now :)
      • SothoTalKer
        sure, why not give editors badges for accomplished tasks ;)
      • Quesito
        reosarevok: found 2 papers AB published! nn
      • SothoTalKer
        though i doubt this will increase data quality without supervision
      • reosarevok
        SothoTalKer: it depends on how you define "cleaned up", of course
      • :)
      • Quesito
        I wasn't suggesting the cleanup--just keep finding things...
      • reosarevok
        Make it so you need to get other editors to accept a change to high quality, and you have an actual measurement
      • Quesito: sure, just brainstorming how we could actually implement the stuff in an enticing way :)
      • Quesito
        ok! I'm really not trying to put more tasks on peoples plates! :)
      • reosarevok
        Haha
      • Quesito just still patiently learning....
      • Quesito or painfully...lol
      • Sure :) So, of all those, other than the Reports themselves, they're basically all historical
      • (for example, "pregap tracks, which we currently can't store as part of CDs" hasn't been true for a year or two)
      • (and the BBC reviews were done ages ago)
      • Oh, heh. CallerNo6, did you know that we have yet another page about userscripts in https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Editing_Tools ? :p
      • And of all those, Cleanup of the Month is the only one likely to be revived in some way
      • Quesito
        can we put them in historical files?
      • CallerNo6
        reosarevok, I /knew/ there was one I was missing. Thanks.
      • reosarevok
        Ok, the BBC editors still edit, although if that has a list of names, it's probably super outdated
      • Quesito: it might make sense to move it to history, but then we should take it off some pages that link to it (https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Special:WhatLinksH...) like How to Contribute
      • CallerNo6 has magic wiki powers so he can help you with that :)
      • (if he has the time, anyway)
      • reosarevok goes the fuck to sleep, waking up in 8h and I could use a rest. Back tomorrow! Feel free to ask me stuff overnight and I'll see it when I wake up, as long as you call me by name
      • Quesito
        reosarevok: as I just made my wiki account today...I still have a ways to go. but we should think about these things moving forward perhaps--a bit of self clean up...
      • reosarevok
        haha
      • Quesito
        nn
      • :)
      • reosarevok
        We've been trying to clean up the wiki since we've had a wiki ;)
      • (but I won't stop you trying!)
      • Quesito
        oh dios...:P
      • night!
      • reosarevok thinks that's another good reason to move official docs to github, it'd be much easier to see what's left and deal with it if needed (and if not, it'd at least not look official)
      • reosarevok
        Night!
      • CallerNo6
        Quesito, how about this. If you have pages that seem like they should move or be reviewed/rewritten, put a link on my userpage. https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:CallerNo6
      • Quesito
        ok--will do CallerNo6
      • CallerNo6
        I mean, that's probably all the pages.
      • Quesito
        lol
      • CallerNo6
        Some are worse than others.
      • Quesito
        how do you feel about the git vs wiki?
      • I think for the most part it is an abundance of information that a noob like me can get lost in....
      • :) https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/History:Volume_Num...
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      • CallerNo6
        Oh, if you go into "History:<whatevere>", you're sure to get lost.
      • About half the time, I want to entirely stop using the wiki for docs.
      • Quesito
        :)
      • enough getting lost for me tonight--to sleep I go!
      • SothoTalKer
        CallerNo6: even better, put a (hidden) category on those pages ;)
      • CallerNo6
        all the pages? like I said, about half the time I agree with that approach :-)
      • SothoTalKer
        wiki is hawaiian and means fast :D
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        SothoTalKer: I know. That's why I get annoyed when people pronounce it "wick-y"
      • SothoTalKer
        wick-why?
      • hibiscuskazeneko
        wicky
      • people actually say it like that
      • it grates on my nerves
      • Lotheric pronounces it weekey
      • Lotheric
        ouiqui
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      • CallerNo6
        does that mean that you say weektionary?
      • Lotheric
        well I speak french so I say wiktionnaire
      • :)
      • I think I'd say (wick)(sean)(airy)
      • not week