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      • CatQuest
        next.. Leo_Verto ?
      • ruaok
        Quesito, maybe?
      • CatQuest
        ok..
      • Quesito
        hola!
      • CatQuest
        i thought she ha ben on?
      • Quesito
        not yet...
      • CatQuest
        alright, well since ok, Quesito next!
      • Quesito
        ok!
      • last week I got to talk lots of data visualization with loujine
      • welcomed a bronze supporter!
      • iliekcomputers
        woo $$$
      • :P
      • Quesito
        and then started the long and winding road of invoicing and accounting with ruaok
      • ruaok
        people left: yvanzo, Leftmost, who else?
      • <3 Quesito
      • ferbncode
        o/
      • Quesito
        I am trying to implement a fixed quarterly billing cycle that follows the fiscal calendar. We’ve begun, and by reaching out to our supporters we’ve gotten some good and interesting feedback.
      • ruaok
        this should reduce the work that needs to be done on this front.
      • Quesito
        Thus far I'm at 50% up to speed....so still more work to be done
      • yes! more work now--but sooooooo much less in the future! which is exciting
      • Leftmost
        Ahh, programmers. Hours optimizing tasks that take five minutes. :)
      • Quesito
        other notes--need to get back into web verbiage--it's getting close
      • Leftmost
        (But take five minutes eight hundred times.)
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      • github
        [picard] samj1912 opened pull request #699: PICARD-1065: Fix patch_version (master...picard1065) https://git.io/vSinF
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      • reosarevok
        Quesito: remind me to take a look at the verbiage too at some point :)
      • reosarevok is fairly interested
      • Quesito
        and if anyone want to vote on ORG-10 please voice your opinions!!! thank you CatQuest for yours!
      • BrainzBot
        ORG-10: Create banner(s?) for use on social media sites https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/ORG-10
      • reosarevok
        (although I trust CallerNo6)
      • Leftmost
        Okay Quesoogle...
      • Quesito
        will do reosarevok!
      • :P Leftmost
      • fin!
      • Leftmost: GO!
      • reosarevok
        (away!)
      • CatQuest
        Quesito: :D
      • Leftmost
        I took a look at GSoC proposals and had some discussions with LordSputnik. I also played fiddle a lot.
      • Fin. ferbncode?
      • CatQuest
        :D
      • ferbncode
        Hi :), I worked on code to create CB database using raw sql so that the ORM models are not used for creating databases.
      • was busy in organization of some events in the Technical Fest of our college.
      • thats all for me. fin :)
      • iliekcomputers won some money in that :P
      • yvanzo
        hi there
      • Last week, I mostly worked on entity attributes, should be up for code review within this week. I wish we would get it live on test.musicbrainz.org during next week.
      • reosarevok
        Yay, less ORM
      • yvanzo
        That's all for reviews?
      • ruaok
        I think so.
      • anyone else?
      • reosarevok
        unless someone of LordSputnik or alastairp wants in, I think so
      • loujine
        ruaok: o/
      • reosarevok
        Oh
      • Or that
      • ruaok
        hi loujine ! go!
      • yvanzo
        loujine: go :)
      • loujine
        hi everyone
      • CatQuest
        \o/
      • loujine
        just a quick word
      • Quesito
        hi!
      • loujine
        after discussing with ruaok and Quesito I continued working on data visualizations with MB data
      • reosarevok
        "expeditious"
      • loujine
        but didn't do much
      • reosarevok
        Oh, not that sort of quick word. Aww.
      • loujine
        played a bit with d3js + python over the weekend
      • hope to show you something soon
      • reosarevok
        When you have something cool, please put it on the forums too :)
      • loujine
        that's all
      • sure
      • Quesito is excited!
      • reosarevok thinks a lot of people would be kind of excited
      • ruaok
        looking forward to that!
      • reosarevok
        see, like these two
      • ruaok
        ok, onward, lets see if we can get through the topics this week.
      • reo: MBS-9248
      • BrainzBot
        MBS-9248: Don't show the artist name in the tool-tip if it's the same as the sort name https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9248
      • reosarevok
        So
      • I submitted a (half-finished, admittedly) PR for this a whiile ago
      • But chirlu really doesn't like the idea
      • So bitmap wanted to make sure whether we should just discard it or not
      • yvanzo
        I second chirlu's opinion on this.
      • reosarevok
        Basically, right now we show the artist sortname on hover if it doesn't match the name, *and* the name if it doesn't match the credit
      • And if both are the same, we show it twice. Which looks silly IMO
      • I'm not particularly attached to my PR, which is meh, but I'd really like us not to show the same string twice
      • (especially since we don't even explain anywhere that one's the name and the other the sortname)
      • ruaok
        so, we have 1 meh, two against.
      • anyone for?
      • CatQuest
        showicng twice sounds weird if they''re the same
      • CatQuest is for
      • chirlu thinks it should, if changed, preferrably be simplified, not complicated.
      • yea
      • reosarevok
        chirlu: agreed, but I just think showing only one extra "explanatory" string is better than two if the second provides no info
      • Again, I don't care much *how* we change this, it just feels very off to me as it is
      • Sophist-UK
        Sorry I am late (again). Real life.
      • chirlu
        But it makes the code more complicated, to little benefit.
      • ruaok
        leaning towards rejecting the unmodified PR, then.
      • CatQuest
        something something usability and profesionalistic apparent something
      • reosarevok
        I think my favoured option would actually be to show both, *but* specify clearly one is name and one sortname, instead of making people guess, then
      • but bitmap didn't want to add more text to the pop-up
      • CatQuest
        appearance*
      • reosarevok
        (like, I'd do "Name: X, Sort name: Y" as hover)
      • bitmap
        I'd be ok with adding labels, I guess
      • CatQuest
        if sortname = name why show it though?
      • reosarevok
        But I think ruaok really wants to move on, so I'm happy to say "drop the current PR, consider further on Jira"
      • bitmap
        though I'm not sure how much this is going to help people
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      • ruaok
        reosarevok: +1
      • there doesn't seem to be a strong set of feelings on this either way.
      • bitmap
        +1 to "consider further on Jira" then
      • reosarevok
        k
      • ruaok
        so, refer to this IRC convo and reject PR for now.
      • Sophist-UK: did you have a general update to get in?
      • samj1912: onward to picard v2, if Sophist-UK wants to get in he can go after you.
      • doubly so. :)
      • Sophist-UK
        A quick summary:
      • Stopped work on the UI responsiveness PR - and will pick it up again on Py3 when I get the time.
      • samj1912
        So, I wanted to ask the direction we want to take with picard v2 and wrt to plugins, as I have mentioned earlier, I would like for picard to be more modular and move more things to plugins and introduce more plugin hooks along with having officially maintained plugins
      • Sophist-UK
        A couple of PRs to provide iTunes Movement tags support - 1 for master 1 for 1.4.x
      • A couple of tiny bugs fixed.
      • Not much compared to others.
      • samj1912
        zas: Mineo bitmap Freso Sophist-UK ^^ thoughts?
      • ruaok
        better than nothing at all, Sophist-UK. :)
      • sorry samj1912.
      • samj1912: have been been requesting more plugin hooks?
      • samj1912
        and anyone else, if you want to chip in for that matter
      • ruaok: not yet, but I want to make the core picard core more lean, so we would then need more plugin hooks
      • this would also solve problems with picard having a cluttered UI, and complicated options page
      • ruaok
        generally speaking, it is a better policy to add things after people ask for them, otherwise its work that may never be used.
      • CatQuest
        I don't know how I feel about making "core" uses of picard plugin instead.. it might make some features horribly dated after a while..
      • core* = features
      • bitmap
        not much thoughts from me, though I'd like to know which features you want moved to plugins
      • CatQuest
        +1 bitmap
      • ruaok
        samj1912: sounds like it might be good to do more planning on this and maybe toss out a google doc or wiki page with your thoughts?
      • zas
        I think we need to be careful with this approach
      • CatQuest
        yes
      • Sophist-UK
        I think it comes down to putting the time into doing good design - both for new UI and for plugin hooks. The current plugin hooks have developed organically and it shows.
      • CatQuest
        do some sort of survey on features people use and which peopel don't
      • Mineo
        as I said yesterday, I fear this will lead to a plugin hook thing and a single plugin for each checkbox in the options, which is a bit meh
      • Sophist-UK
        A lot meh!!
      • zas
        I agree with Mineo on this
      • CatQuest
        yes: you'll end with it being more features being mesy inteface instead
      • reosarevok
        Well, moving something to be a plugin doesn't mean they won't be there, they can still be active by default (something like ASCII conversion makes 100% sense as a plugin, for example, IMO)
      • Quesito
        this clearly needs more marination....
      • ruaok
        ding.
      • CatQuest
        and the plugins (which we don't controll as much) will amek the interface messy and clunky instead
      • ruaok
        samj1912: think on this and then put your thoughts together somewhere for people to review for a future meeting.
      • CatQuest agrees with reosarevok and Quesito
      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: I think the idea would be we still develop those plugins ourselves? But maybe I'm getting it wrong :)