last week I got to talk lots of data visualization with loujine
welcomed a bronze supporter!
iliekcomputers
woo $$$
:P
Quesito
and then started the long and winding road of invoicing and accounting with ruaok
ruaok
people left: yvanzo, Leftmost, who else?
<3 Quesito
ferbncode
o/
Quesito
I am trying to implement a fixed quarterly billing cycle that follows the fiscal calendar. We’ve begun, and by reaching out to our supporters we’ve gotten some good and interesting feedback.
ruaok
this should reduce the work that needs to be done on this front.
Quesito
Thus far I'm at 50% up to speed....so still more work to be done
yes! more work now--but sooooooo much less in the future! which is exciting
Leftmost
Ahh, programmers. Hours optimizing tasks that take five minutes. :)
Quesito
other notes--need to get back into web verbiage--it's getting close
was busy in organization of some events in the Technical Fest of our college.
thats all for me. fin :)
iliekcomputers won some money in that :P
yvanzo
hi there
Last week, I mostly worked on entity attributes, should be up for code review within this week. I wish we would get it live on test.musicbrainz.org during next week.
reosarevok
Yay, less ORM
yvanzo
That's all for reviews?
ruaok
I think so.
anyone else?
reosarevok
unless someone of LordSputnik or alastairp wants in, I think so
loujine
ruaok: o/
reosarevok
Oh
Or that
ruaok
hi loujine ! go!
yvanzo
loujine: go :)
loujine
hi everyone
CatQuest
\o/
loujine
just a quick word
Quesito
hi!
loujine
after discussing with ruaok and Quesito I continued working on data visualizations with MB data
reosarevok
"expeditious"
loujine
but didn't do much
reosarevok
Oh, not that sort of quick word. Aww.
loujine
played a bit with d3js + python over the weekend
hope to show you something soon
reosarevok
When you have something cool, please put it on the forums too :)
loujine
that's all
sure
Quesito is excited!
reosarevok thinks a lot of people would be kind of excited
ruaok
looking forward to that!
reosarevok
see, like these two
ruaok
ok, onward, lets see if we can get through the topics this week.
I submitted a (half-finished, admittedly) PR for this a whiile ago
But chirlu really doesn't like the idea
So bitmap wanted to make sure whether we should just discard it or not
yvanzo
I second chirlu's opinion on this.
reosarevok
Basically, right now we show the artist sortname on hover if it doesn't match the name, *and* the name if it doesn't match the credit
And if both are the same, we show it twice. Which looks silly IMO
I'm not particularly attached to my PR, which is meh, but I'd really like us not to show the same string twice
(especially since we don't even explain anywhere that one's the name and the other the sortname)
ruaok
so, we have 1 meh, two against.
anyone for?
CatQuest
showicng twice sounds weird if they''re the same
CatQuest is for
chirlu thinks it should, if changed, preferrably be simplified, not complicated.
yea
reosarevok
chirlu: agreed, but I just think showing only one extra "explanatory" string is better than two if the second provides no info
Again, I don't care much *how* we change this, it just feels very off to me as it is
Sophist-UK
Sorry I am late (again). Real life.
chirlu
But it makes the code more complicated, to little benefit.
ruaok
leaning towards rejecting the unmodified PR, then.
CatQuest
something something usability and profesionalistic apparent something
reosarevok
I think my favoured option would actually be to show both, *but* specify clearly one is name and one sortname, instead of making people guess, then
but bitmap didn't want to add more text to the pop-up
CatQuest
appearance*
reosarevok
(like, I'd do "Name: X, Sort name: Y" as hover)
bitmap
I'd be ok with adding labels, I guess
CatQuest
if sortname = name why show it though?
reosarevok
But I think ruaok really wants to move on, so I'm happy to say "drop the current PR, consider further on Jira"
bitmap
though I'm not sure how much this is going to help people
arbenina_ joined the channel
ruaok
reosarevok: +1
there doesn't seem to be a strong set of feelings on this either way.
bitmap
+1 to "consider further on Jira" then
reosarevok
k
ruaok
so, refer to this IRC convo and reject PR for now.
Sophist-UK: did you have a general update to get in?
samj1912: onward to picard v2, if Sophist-UK wants to get in he can go after you.
doubly so. :)
Sophist-UK
A quick summary:
Stopped work on the UI responsiveness PR - and will pick it up again on Py3 when I get the time.
samj1912
So, I wanted to ask the direction we want to take with picard v2 and wrt to plugins, as I have mentioned earlier, I would like for picard to be more modular and move more things to plugins and introduce more plugin hooks along with having officially maintained plugins
Sophist-UK
A couple of PRs to provide iTunes Movement tags support - 1 for master 1 for 1.4.x
A couple of tiny bugs fixed.
Not much compared to others.
samj1912
zas: Mineo bitmap Freso Sophist-UK ^^ thoughts?
ruaok
better than nothing at all, Sophist-UK. :)
sorry samj1912.
samj1912: have been been requesting more plugin hooks?
samj1912
and anyone else, if you want to chip in for that matter
ruaok: not yet, but I want to make the core picard core more lean, so we would then need more plugin hooks
this would also solve problems with picard having a cluttered UI, and complicated options page
ruaok
generally speaking, it is a better policy to add things after people ask for them, otherwise its work that may never be used.
CatQuest
I don't know how I feel about making "core" uses of picard plugin instead.. it might make some features horribly dated after a while..
core* = features
bitmap
not much thoughts from me, though I'd like to know which features you want moved to plugins
CatQuest
+1 bitmap
ruaok
samj1912: sounds like it might be good to do more planning on this and maybe toss out a google doc or wiki page with your thoughts?
zas
I think we need to be careful with this approach
CatQuest
yes
Sophist-UK
I think it comes down to putting the time into doing good design - both for new UI and for plugin hooks. The current plugin hooks have developed organically and it shows.
CatQuest
do some sort of survey on features people use and which peopel don't
Mineo
as I said yesterday, I fear this will lead to a plugin hook thing and a single plugin for each checkbox in the options, which is a bit meh
Sophist-UK
A lot meh!!
zas
I agree with Mineo on this
CatQuest
yes: you'll end with it being more features being mesy inteface instead
reosarevok
Well, moving something to be a plugin doesn't mean they won't be there, they can still be active by default (something like ASCII conversion makes 100% sense as a plugin, for example, IMO)
Quesito
this clearly needs more marination....
ruaok
ding.
CatQuest
and the plugins (which we don't controll as much) will amek the interface messy and clunky instead
ruaok
samj1912: think on this and then put your thoughts together somewhere for people to review for a future meeting.
CatQuest agrees with reosarevok and Quesito
reosarevok
CatQuest: I think the idea would be we still develop those plugins ourselves? But maybe I'm getting it wrong :)