LAMP, KINGPIN, HEROIN and now ELK? Jeez, open source people.
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samj1912
so we ended up going down this route :P
2017-07-30 21123, 2017
samj1912
there is a stack named HEROIN? O.o
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ruaok
no, but there ought to be.
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samj1912
lol :P
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CatQuest
you forgot, GIT, MELANGE, FLASK,
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CatQuest
these open source people are very silly
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CatQuest
PYTHON
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CatQuest
a very silly silly people indeed
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CatQuest
is there one called 420? must be
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CallerNo6 starts at https://chatlogs.metabrainz.org/brainzbot/metabrainz/msg/3961371/
2017-07-30 21150, 2017
CallerNo6
Hi chhavi_ .I'm mostly interested in documentation, but a design that doesn't need as much documentation is even better (of course) :-)
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CallerNo6
0/
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CallerNo6
chhavi_, you write about your first visit to MB, but what were your expectations? Did you have any pre-conceived ideas about the site before you saw it?
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ruaok
come on, she's friend with samj1912. of course she expected it to be glorious!
2017-07-30 21118, 2017
ruaok
right? ;)
2017-07-30 21129, 2017
CallerNo6
I ask because: for a long time, I've argued that the MB site evolved as a way to /edit/ MB, not as a way to explore it.
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ruaok
evolved is totally correct, yes.
2017-07-30 21107, 2017
ruaok
but should that mean that is its destiny?
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CallerNo6
So its structure mirrors the database.
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ruaok nods
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CallerNo6
(and it assumes that the viewer already think in MB terms)
2017-07-30 21120, 2017
ruaok
could it not evolve to be discoverable using the same structure?
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CallerNo6
That's a good question. As others have pointed out, wikipedia manages to do both.
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ruaok
we need to as well. we have increasingly larger number of artists coming to us who are not familiar with our terminology
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CallerNo6
As editors or as tourists?
2017-07-30 21142, 2017
ruaok
tourists becoming visitors becoming editors.
2017-07-30 21101, 2017
ruaok
I think we have an incredibly opportunity to shape how we draw people into the project.
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ruaok
we're finally ready. google indexes us.
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ruaok
we're now in a position to think about problems that have been on our table for a long time.
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ruaok
I see two
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ruaok
1) How do we bring in more editors? By hooking them in and letting them fall down the rabbithole, if they wish.
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ruaok
2) How do we highlight missing data?
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ruaok
1.a) How do we turn editors into voters?
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SothoTalKer
1) pay them :D
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SothoTalKer
2) big red exclamation marks :D
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CallerNo6
I could imagine doing periodic workshops that get people started/engaged in voting.
2017-07-30 21153, 2017
CallerNo6
(a sort of stuctured, guided CotM)
2017-07-30 21157, 2017
alastairp
ferbncode: hi. I'm traveling for 2 days, but will get back to review of your PRs on Tuesday
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alastairp
ruaok: I recommend you avoid the airport for a few months until they fix their security systems
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alastairp
it's horrible
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ruaok
what's wrong with the systems? there was a strike. are there technical problems too now?
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ruaok
how much time did you spend in line?
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CallerNo6
Can't they crowd-source that stuff? Everybody in the security line, frisk the person in front of you.
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ruaok sees no flaws in that
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alastairp
no, I mean the strike. We were in line about 15 minutes, but they were much pickier with bags in the xray
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ruaok
last three times I've been "accidentally selected" for their extra bomb residue screen...
2017-07-30 21123, 2017
CatQuest
[17:31] <CallerNo6> I ask because: for a long time, I've argued that the MB site evolved as a way to /edit/ MB, not as a way to explore it.
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CatQuest
+1000 that is soo true
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CatQuest
and the reasons for the issues with newbies and the idea I had about (atleast) two views
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CatQuest
ironically it is also not really perfected for editing
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CatQuest
so. many. things. could be made ui wize to make editing and SEARCHING and searcing to edit (ie search view and the information you're given in edit screens ) better
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Sophist-UK
ruaok: Could we hook people into editing by getting Picard to highlight when MB data is only basic?
2017-07-30 21140, 2017
ruaok
yes!
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CallerNo6
+1
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CallerNo6
(sidenote: it was rythmbox (I think?) that initially prompted me to add missing data to MB)
2017-07-30 21141, 2017
CallerNo6
(whatever the default player was in ubuntu in 2007)
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ruaok
last.fm's link back to us helped us with a huge jump in numbers.
2017-07-30 21150, 2017
ruaok
we've been needing to do this sort of big picture integration thinking for many moons. I'm happy we have the capacity for it now.
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CallerNo6
To contrast MB with wikipedia (in terms of exploration):
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CallerNo6
wikipedia by nature has lots of links that can send you down all sorts of paths. tangents, general theory, similar topics.
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ruaok
we do too -- we may not be as good as turning them into potential rabbitholes.
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CallerNo6
MB is good at drilling down (members of bands, lists of works).
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CallerNo6
MB doesn't do as much to send you back up the tree, as it were.
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ruaok
I think this is where the data from AB/LB/CB can shine. it provides these extra links to toss you into far flung corners of the DB if you want.
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CallerNo6
Exactly
2017-07-30 21149, 2017
Lotheric
I know a lot of recent MB editors came to edit while using a french site senscritique.com
