#metabrainz

it looks like it might be the &artist=nnn that breaks the Attach CD TOC. If I add &artist=123 to your baroque list (I'd have added Gemiani, but it looks like it wants the internal ID, which is not exposed by the UI), I get Cliff Richard albums with the greyed tracklists

CatQuest: Naxos tends to have 73 and 489 barcodes, but I hadn't seen them in the same one yet

bought in norway, likly in 93-94 so

might just be an original german and then given a sticker because "external market has that barcode"

hm.. the other naxos release i have just here has the german barcode too

(no sticker)

releated ish: is there any diff between https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/3b80436d-f... https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/feb2586e-4... other than the country? :/

i left a note on an edit of a dude that has it in his collction and has edited it.. maybe he has some insight

Zastai: huh ao it's the artist parameer.. thats odd indeed, and a bug

(I hadn't noticed that since I tend to search on album names usually (worls for both VA and SA :)))

works*

correlation is not causation, but it does seem related :)

it's the difference between the working and non working urls, so yea

hmm..

my backcover is identical https://ia601209.us.archive.org/9/items/mbid-fe...

on https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/feb2586e-4...

hey when editing the database, am i allowed to remove those greatest hits and confusing albums?

ahh the other two have two disc ids

what? no

of course not

but why?

uhm. becasue they excist?

but wouldnt it make sense for the songs to be sorted according to the actual info?

....

they are. they are released on both alcums and compilations

singles and ep's

albums*

that *is* the actual info

im not sure im following

fiar enough you want no album tags in your files, that's your decission, but you can't edit mb and remove data becasue it fits you tagging

no i dont mean it like that

ah ok

what i mean to say is

explain what you mean :)

if there is a recording, with a specific release from the artist, shouldnt it be removed from the greatest hits and other albums?

no, not at all

why not?

quite the contrary. we work hard ot merge recordings that are the smae

becasue it's the same song?

variants, like mixes or such should have their own recording

okay lemme find an example real quick

severla reasons: we are a music dat base first a tagging platform 3rd (what is 2? woh knows)

there are *others* (me ofr example) that *want* to tag things liek compilations

since that's the ting we have

here wht i am playing right now is a rought guide to world music for children

a compilation

if ther recordings went to the original release it would al lbe garbled for me

but shouldnt the goal of musicbranz to ensure the music metadata is as accurate as possible?

exactly

yeah so when i see something like may it be by enya

if you have many stand alone random tracks you can do some %unset(releasename)

and then the album name wont get saved fo you on that

okay let me find another album based example

here is an example, lol https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/feb2586e-4...

i know just let me talk...please

you have merry christmas happy holidays by nsync

which is officially in the home for the holidays album

no i dont actually, but ok

you get what i mean

sure

and thne it's on tons of compilations too

but the first priority, the very first album it picks is some compilation

which is not the official album and thus not accurate

so if you have the releases ou can tag per release. if you only have the track and want the album name yo uhave to find that nad fetch it inot picard

there is no priority in the recording-album relationship

so albums are picked at random?

you can paste the release-url into the picard search field to auto laod it

so the order is effectively arbitrary. sure, it may make sense to show non-VA first, but even then you might not get the "best" match first

You should be able to use the option to prioritise albums in the Picard settings to do exactly that

But I haven't tested it, since I only tag full albums anyway

pick how? by sanning, serachig on musicbrainz, metadata search witin picard?

i do scan since thats the most accurate

for example, for a track released as a single, is the "best" match the single or the album?

qould be that the compilation is the only one with that finger print then

Zastai, it would be single, since we're aiming for accuracy here

eh.

right?

even if the single was released after the album?

exactly

in that case no

there are too many corner cases

compilations are often ever-so-slightly dj-mixed, which can throw off the fingerprints

uh I definitly don't agree with that

they can be yea. migt be the fiel yo uhave actulaly *came* fro mthat compilation originally :O

what i want to know is, why cant the musicbrainz database prioritize albums and other data that is official

Why would it?

I want to tag my music with the source it came from

picard can be set to do just that i belive

+1 reosarevok

If I rip a compilation album, why would I want it to be set to an album?

i have *both a n album and a release wich is a compilaion

soem overlap tracks. si wnat the originals liek reo said

But as I said, there's some setting for avoiding compilations if possible

yes

Not sure how well it works with scan, but

it seems like these stuff should be defaults

it would be very useful to know where the file came from. randomly downloaded files are notioriously difficult ot precicely say are so and suh official version

tagging actual compilation rips of non-niche music can be annoying, because for a 40-track compilation, scan will often throw up 30+ different matches

(great way to find unexpected covers toh :D)

im not saying to ditch compilation all together

cuz that throwing out the baby with the bathwatere

x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: well yea, for you. but not for others.. it's not easy to know everyones prefrences at the same time :D

x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: why would it be the default? It's what you want, but I don't think that's what most people want. I'd expect most people want to tag with the release they got the info from

picard is awesome but ont psycic :D

anyway, I'm off - the sofa beckons

bye zastai!

If you only have tracks and not albums, then I guess I could see why you'd do the way you want, for example, but for me that's such a weird way of listening to music :)

what im saying, is if there is an official set of metadata straight from the artists mouth, why would picard prioritize some random compilation made by some random user?

i do both actually

becasue that fiel you have might litterally *be* fro mthat compilation

now that's a picard problem

x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: the compilations aren't made by some users - they're (almost all) official compilations released officially

and yes, that's a tagger issue, not a database issue

*sigh*

In fact, we don't allow home-made compilations

could have fooled me

As I said, Picard should be able to do what you want

unless they have enough distribution to be cosidered "bootleg release"

It just won't be made the default, because it's what you want, but not what most of our users seem to want

but those shouldn't be defualt at all

i can understand the point of x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ

i cna too. i na way

its not what i want

We've had people ask about compilation issues before. Have you tried what I mentioned and changed the preferred release slider to reject compilations?

its what you guys should be doing according to your goals of accuracy

It should help

x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: now that's a bit bastant

... our goal is data accuracy. The data is there, accurately

indeed

what???

That you don't like it doesn't make it inaccurate: compilations are released all the time (and sell a lot of copies!)

and soem are awesome!

Scans look at the music content of your file. It knows what music it is, but can't magically know where you got it from

you mean to tell me, if i made a compilation of songs and change whatever i want, and give that to my friend, my choices override that of the artists?

x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: no, but if Sony releases a compilation album, that's pretty official

yeah

exactly