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Alright, thanks for the update and the work yvanzo!

chhavi_ isn't here though, but she sent me some text:

"""

Design Ticket

Helo, we plan to wrap up the mockups for Artist page in the coming weeks. So if you wish to give any last moment comments and feedback, now is the time :)

Link to the comment you would want to see for the latest mockups (quite a long thread now, so this might help)

MBS-9536: Redesign of "Artist" Overview Page

"""

So go check out that link and leave any thought you have for her.

And that's it for tonight's meeting.

Thank you for your time everyone!

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thanks Freso

:)

\o/

LordSputnik: Still there? :)

yvanzo: good job on MarkBrainz doc ;)

well done bukwurm_ evne if your name makes my face twist like a lemon :P

CatQuest: Haha. Thanks

if we can get rid of current edit note syntaxt (https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Edit_Note#Edit_note...), i vote twice for it ;)

thanks! :)

\o/ strikethrough! \o/

i've missed it

Gah, the Matrix bridge is acting up again, I didn't see any of yvanzo's messages :/

Leo_Verto: Do you know if it's possible to turn the "<user> sent a long message, here's a link to a matrix paste with what they sent" off and get Matrix to send the text directly?

Leo_Verto: See https://chatlogs.metabrainz.org/brainzbot/metab...

i know it's possible in ircloud

huh, I didn't even know that's how it handles long messages. It seems like splitting would be the better option in most cases

yea

CatQuest: IRCCloud gives you an option, but IRCCloud is also IRC "native". Matrix is its own thing, which just happens to also be able to connect to IRC.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

iliekcomputers: Btw, that would probably neat to move to a JS implementation that can be used both client-side and server-side with every *Brainz project.

CB is using Python-Markdown atm.

vishichoudhary1: zas I am done converting PW to py3... there's just one problem, ast for plugin parsing now throws errors if it encounters plugins written in py2

hmmm, this is where we shouldn't parse plugin's code for metadata ;)

yvanzo: I like the direct to jira link thing. but i have misgivings about the massive changes in what happens whne you post a regualr url. I'd rather have a simple markdown/up/sideways way of making "pretty urls" than having this auto-happen, explicitly for the mbid and other part of url to be not-hidden, but also becasue i dislike typing osmething and having the website show as having written something I didn't do. with this cheme it owu

dl be near impossible ot jsut paste a non-augemented url

bukwurm_: I'm around, yes

samj1912: fall back on a dumb and simple text parsing ?

well ill make a PR, lets see what to do about this

Any raw (unbracketed) URL of MusicBrainz edit will be rendered as a link with title and short content. <.. hmmm :S

CatQuest: You will have both of it, as it will be possible to escape special rendering with <url> (angle brackets).

LordSputnik: I just wanted to get a rough overview on the schema tables. :)

i'd rather have the *option* for it to do so, but beign able ot jsut paste that (https://musicbrainz.org/edit/123456 and have it as that way)

Freso: seeing as we have a couple people here connecting via Matrix, maybe looking at making "plumbed" Matrix MB/MeB rooms would make sense? https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice...

alias, alias_set and alias_set__alias

yvanzo: it's... kidna annoying having ot put specia lcode on something whne you jsut want regular links?

and somehow backwards idk

bukwurm_: so alias stores the actual text

i mean, i think making such nice links shoudl be fairly straightforward and maybe evne possible with "paste2 and format" type buttons or osmething

Alias set identifies a particular group of aliases

[picard-website] samj1912 opened pull request #111: Port PW to python 3 (master...py3port) https://git.io/vAKci

Leo_Verto: Can you send me a mail to freso@meb and I'll try and look at it later/tomorrow?

CatQuest: in CommonMark, regular links are rendered as plain text, not hyperlinks.

Sure

well that's also kinda useless :D

The alias_set_alias table links the two

LordSputnik: Ok

CatQuest: I agree that there are two options and the default behaviour should be voted for.

👍

LordSputnik: What does 'group of alias' mean?

I read about native and primary alias.

I am making rough guesses, but it would be useful to know exact thing.

aww I'll miss the ability to write edit #123411 :/

CatQuest: No, you won’t, it is easier to copy/paste the URL.

i that's what you're doing and not typing out the number or copying for mthe header (becasue of other reasons)

if*

one thingI want thoguh is an easy ability to jsut type *whatever* and ahve it show up as *whatever* (no formatting)

will <*>blup<*> work?

Because it is easier. The only reason we used “edit #123411” is because the rendered note was more readable.

also @username doens't actually wokr in jira :/ (i've never gotten it to work anyway)

[~username] does

thne why does jira start saying yo usohul type username whne typing "@" :/// that's very confusing

i didn't know that was the one

"Wiki links and entity links won’t be supported anymore," 👎

CatQuest: what is “<*>blup<*>” btw? I guess it will be displayed as is.

i want to be able to write *something* and the astrixes don't get converted so soem strange formatting

i get that i'd have to escape it somehow, that's fine

wait, you could just refer to edits like that?

whnever i've written *something* I meant it as such, not as italics or bold

Leo_Verto: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Edit_Note#Edit_note...

edit #215435 yes

and i do use it and will miss it :/

I mean, github sort of does auto-links so we probably could do something like that but it'd have to be consistent across sites

CatQuest: No, "*foo*" will become formatted once we switch to a CommonMark derivative.

that'd make sense for us thoguh ,as we do edits liek that (probably revisions on bb too?)

CatQuest: The thing is, people should not be required to learn the syntax as there will be a toolbar and a preview in the editor, just like in forums editor.

yvanzo, thanks, I knew there was some sort of edit note syntax but never knew it could do that kind of stuff

seems like another case for better UX :P

CatQuest: It is already the case: If you want to write 'foo', you have to escape ' first.

bukwurm_: each entity has a name, which is known as the default alias in the code. There are then the other aliases, which are usually unofficial names or translations/transliterations. All of these will be linked to a single alias set by the alias_set_alias table

Freso: i'm "ok" with new ones like that needing an escape character

yvanzo: yay! that's awesome!

freso: but the old ones shoudl be convert no. I don't want every single edit note i've ever written (there are a few :D) (using *this* for emphsis) to suddenly be turned into italics or bold or whatever and no asterixes

Then that alias set is linked to a particular version of an entity

CatQuest: Old ones will appear as they do now.

also be patient. I'm typing I'm also trying to write less errors

[21:08] <Freso> CatQuest: Old ones will appear as they do now. \o/ that' all I wanted explicitly of this yay

how are edit notes saved internally? as markdown or rendered?

Leo__Verto: Neither, right now. :)

i'm fine with ''italics'' and '''bold''' and '''''bolditalic''''' being changed (that's a whole lot of's å holde styr på)

well yeah, as raw MB markup then, right?

AFAIK, yes.

anyway i've said several times that i understadn that *going forward* i'll have to do damn escaping. and i'm gonig ot make so many mistakes and i'll grumble every time. but if i could have a simple way of escaping *formating yay!(not)* as being plane text the way i want it, thne i'm happy

plain text even

ugh

hmm. so that means to switch to markdown, you'd either have to switch to storing pre-rendered messages (and render old messages during the migration), or add a flag to indicate which renderer to use for each note.

it would be cool if you could edit edit notes :D sicne thne old ones that are borko could be edited :D

yvanzo suggested going for the latter route previously (using timestamp rather than a new flag, but same principle).

CatQuest: Isn't there a ticket for that?

would it be possible to somehow make it so that only formatting (* turned into ' s or k into K or a simple substitution of letters chngae ->change are accepted, but that wholesale removla and editing is not?)

this is the reason i thoguht we didn't allow it

but if there is.. oohh i woudl be very happy

Everything's possible, but that seems like a very, very tricky thing to get into.

to be able toedit edit notes. SO annoying to see a spelling mistake after copy pasting and thinking you've doen it

hmm yes

I'd rather have a system where you can only edit edit notes within X minutes of posting it.

btw i made am istake in the review: been editng hyperion should be "been editing hyperion"

Or where the complete revision history of an edit note is available.

Freso: ohh yea that might be good

5 minutes or something

I wonder, how hard would converting old messages to markdown really be?

(E.g., I'm more in the latter camp. You can still write something really vile first and then completely change it in an edit in 5 minutes, and it may be hard to track down.)

escape markdown control chars and convert the seven different markup commands we currently have

soem really ancient edit notes would actalyy have a differnt syntax (we coudl do wikilinking and some other things too)

omg revision history. i would. i mena i didn't suggest it becasue i thoguht perhasp i'd be said to over-ide/engineer/ it but I did think that

I'd be +10 to that

that'd be beautiful

Leo__Verto: Are you going to check over millions of edit notes to verify that none of them broke?

becasue thne i could *edit* my onw comemnts shoudl they be erranous formatting or something

(Well, I guess you could automate checking HTML output.)

annotatinos already do this so it's not such a tremendous issue, i mena if you coem across one and see it's borko yo ucna jsut, you know, fix it

i wish irc came with edits :P

i want to type beautifully dammit

Pretty sure Matrix is going to have that at some point :P

aw well. it's late and i need food. bye wonderful brainzers! \o

LordSputnik: So basically, defaultAlias is the 'native' alias as mentioned in the docs, and rest are 'primary' alias.

Freso, I mean, are minor breakages really *that* bad? But yeah, I suppose I could select a sample of the full dump and play around with it

I am sceptical to the idea of joining the matrix

:P

Leo__Verto: I'd say yes, esp. if it's irreversible.

i still don't get how aliases work in BB, I mean, I have x work and it has a english title, and a norwegian title, so i add those as aliases. but for the publication I should only add the.. original? buttnhe there are the english edition and the norwegian edition and the chinese.. etc

or what?

publication shouldn't have aliases then, neither shoudl editions