#metabrainz

LordSputnik: Google and even Bing now index client side rendered JS, so SSR only for SEO benefits can become an unnecessary measure very soon.

I believe we can do away with SSR completely, if there's no important reason backing it.

alastairp: import was pretty fast.

bukwurm: we have to have it for clients who don't have JavaScript

LordSputnik: Do we have that many clients? I'm just curious, SSR is now an integral part of the website - why was it decided in the beginning to have SSR?

*clients without javascript

The thing is - I feel entry level for a front end dev becomes difficult when we have SSR (with the present setup).

bukwurm: Lots of people either don't have a browser supporting JS or deliberately turn JavaScript off for sites they haven't visited before - we want to make the site accessible for these people. So we need to support server-side rendering. If we didn't use SSR, we wouldn't be using React for everything - we'd still have a server side templating language (we used to use Jade/Pug). Adopting SSR means that only one

framework (React) is needed for everything

LordSputnik: for my own curiosity, when you say lots of people don't have JS, do you have numbers? I've always wondered.

iliekcomputers: great!

Mr_Monkey: We can set up some form of experiment on the site, to better know the traffic - if it's alright with LordSputnik

Mr_Monkey: quick bit of research gives 0.2% of regular users.

LordSputnik: problem is our users are not regular users.

if you make a one of our sites unusable without JS, you will hear about it incessantly. :)

ruaok: That's what I was saying earlier

wb ruaok

:)

thanks. I'm eager to get back to work and move things along.

ruaok: any recommendations for Scotland? I'm going to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness and Aberdeen in November

november? yikes. that will be gray, wet and cold.

what do you want to do? hiking? that was our primary focus.

Nah we know the weather will probably be bad so mostly just sightseeing in the cities

But I'm in the UK anyway so used to dealing with uncooperative weather :P

I don't have many tips there, we didn't take in a lot of sights.

in Edinburgh is a walking tour, the dark side of edinburgh that looked fun, but conflicted with plays we were taking in at the fringe.

hiking and theater is what we did most of and most of our time was spent in a wee little town out of the way.

bitmap: CAA has problems since a long time now, can you ping someone at archive ?

I'm unquieting the channel now but blocking non-registered people from joining.

It seems like the spam thing won't be going away before GCI takes off, and I think it might be better for them to see up front why they're not able to join the channel(s), rather than joining and being met with complete silence.

does that have any impact on users of the webchat client that's mentioned on https://metabrainz.org/contact?

If the spam dies down on the network over the next few weeks, maybe I'll go back to the other way, but ~24 hours there have been somewhere around to 50–100(!) spam messages for every legitimate one, which is just too much to look through to see if there should be a single lost (potential) GCI student in there. I'll update our IRC documentation accordingly.

Mineo: Yes.

reosarevok can confirm that I'm not exaggerating the numbers (I feel like I might actually put it a bit on the low end).

(Ratio is much worse in #musicbrainz.)

Does https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=Co... read okay? (Mineo and others.)

I'll make a PR for meb.o next.

Not exaggerating confirmed