ok, I managed to restart mbstats for mb (others are working), there is some bugs causing an exception, I couldn't determine yet what is the exact issue, though I'll check code and make it more immune to such (rare) failure
2020-02-05 03639, 2020
zas
I have yet to confirm everything is back to normal, I'll observe stuff for some time
Mr_Monkey: i think this might be becasue of stale data whne before yany entity oudl be linked to any other entity with any type of link (ie the old relationship editor)
i now merged tow "harry potther and blah blah" *authors* into rowling. and i chose rowling as name (not copy pasting) and that worked
2020-02-05 03622, 2020
CatQuest
but it did chose a different name (J.K.Rowling) not J. K. Rowling
2020-02-05 03658, 2020
CatQuest
and also setting [multiple languages] when it had previously been english (and it was also english i chose in the merge dialogue)
2020-02-05 03642, 2020
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Mr_Monkey: I have aproblem that a inline search(relationship) for "Rowling" does not hactually lsit her
2020-02-05 03620, 2020
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"JK Rowling" spins forever
2020-02-05 03641, 2020
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J.K.Rowling shows "james Joice" first
2020-02-05 03644, 2020
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no worling
2020-02-05 03650, 2020
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erh no rowling
2020-02-05 03612, 2020
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"J. K. Rowling" literally the author name
2020-02-05 03619, 2020
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has bogus information
2020-02-05 03655, 2020
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the only way to fets this now after she was merged is bypasting d06101f2-0a27-416f-a6c2-8b0644e575ac
2020-02-05 03630, 2020
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old bbid 6d5c4a15-3d08-41bc-9bbf-c5fd2dbebf52 does not work
2020-02-05 03658, 2020
pristine__
shivam-kapila: I went out yesterday to a restaurant and food poisoning caught me. If my reviews are stopping your work on the upgrade PR, please go forward, otherwise I plan to review tomorrow :)
Mr_Monkey: I will collect al by blappings int otickets
2020-02-05 03621, 2020
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one thing: I am not sure that illustrated edition should be in the same EG however, if we (ad in mb) put the criteria that you ask an average person "if I have x version(edition) would it count as y book" then illustrated edition is too different. if you have scolastic version yo udo not have this one with illustraions on every page (pages are illustrations with text on it)
2020-02-05 03631, 2020
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a later reprint of the illustrated version however woudl be in the same EG as the first one
2020-02-05 03652, 2020
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like if I had the norwegian HP&tPS, the illustrated version, and an am-eng version "sorcherer's" then those are "separate things" either of these do not substitute the others (imagineif one of these got damaged in a water accident at home. or in a fire and one was going to replace it. then replacing the illustrated with a plain version (english or norwegian) woudl not cut it)
2020-02-05 03647, 2020
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but substituting a hardcover for a paperback, that is fine i think
2020-02-05 03630, 2020
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these amounts of illustratios (or imagine a book that waas in-depth ilustrated by several different illustrors over the years.. those are *not* substitutionals)
2020-02-05 03639, 2020
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they are separate "things"
2020-02-05 03604, 2020
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take "alice in wonderland" original illustration and one (which I have) illustrated by Tove Janson.
2020-02-05 03608, 2020
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deff not the same thing
2020-02-05 03652, 2020
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original edition AiW and some recent reprint of the same, same thing same EG
2020-02-05 03619, 2020
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i'm gonna troll the library for versions of books that I have recently aquired. and add both versions.
2020-02-05 03639, 2020
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(:D)
2020-02-05 03635, 2020
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hmm.. same as that this 1983 3-volume edition of grove music lexicon is not the same as the expanded 5 vlume thing fro m199-something
2020-02-05 03602, 2020
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separate EG's but works shoudl be linked as "expaned" or dervied
2020-02-05 03612, 2020
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(I haven't added the grove yet because I am uncertan how to fogure out books which are "volumes")
2020-02-05 03618, 2020
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seems they need a series and the series needs an edition group :/
2020-02-05 03607, 2020
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ok everyone: i will now shut up :D
2020-02-05 03629, 2020
Mr_Monkey
So it looks to me like there are some search-related issue when you merge entities. Something to investigate.
2020-02-05 03651, 2020
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yeh
2020-02-05 03655, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Regarding the EGs, I'm not quite sure what the best solution is. For me, a text-only and an illustrated version of Alice in Wonderland should be in the same EG, because I consider them to be "the same book". Two different Editions, containing the one Work. Same goes for an audiobook. Yet another Edition, but still "the same book" in my mind.
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in mb audiobook and play (ie narrated, but with some soundbits and other people "playing" the voices of characters) woldn't be the same I think
2020-02-05 03629, 2020
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is a n album and it's remix in the same RG?
2020-02-05 03656, 2020
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we have this "problem" in mb too. for things that are "the same thing" but not
2020-02-05 03645, 2020
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you could say english "Alice in wonderland" and norwegian "alice in wonderland" (*both* ilustrated by Tove Jansson!) are "the same thing, but transalted
2020-02-05 03608, 2020
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they have more things in common than the original version and it's norwegian translation.. in a way
2020-02-05 03600, 2020
Mr_Monkey
But less in common than the original version and the original version illustrated :)
2020-02-05 03621, 2020
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ah! we have separate recordings for msuic and music+video (evne if music==music in that case)
2020-02-05 03629, 2020
adhawkins
Here the best place to ask about the postgres 12 upgrade, or on #musicbrainz?
2020-02-05 03632, 2020
Mr_Monkey
It's a tricky one, trying to find a one size fits all solution
2020-02-05 03632, 2020
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iii.. would not say that
2020-02-05 03651, 2020
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i hae actually that example (don't ask why i got both it's a long story)
2020-02-05 03609, 2020
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they have the same cover image
2020-02-05 03628, 2020
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original AiW has a completelly differnt cover!
2020-02-05 03652, 2020
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.. there needs to be a n edition-edition link of "is a transalted version of" for this case
2020-02-05 03615, 2020
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since the norwegian Tove Janson book is a transaltion of *thaT version. not the original!
2020-02-05 03642, 2020
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also this for the Illustrated HP books, there are norwegian editions. and there are no editions of the original books (severla editions)
2020-02-05 03604, 2020
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edition groups and languges and works and editinos and illustrations need ot be re-thinked
2020-02-05 03623, 2020
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perhaps the EG-(contains)->editions-(contains)-> work-(linksto)->(translated)Work-(is contained din)->(translated)Edition-(is contained din)->(translated)EG is odd
2020-02-05 03630, 2020
Mr_Monkey
> since the norwegian Tove Janson book is a transaltion of *thaT version.
2020-02-05 03630, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Well, The Work is translated, the Edition isn't a translation
2020-02-05 03646, 2020
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i disagree
2020-02-05 03652, 2020
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i coudl show you these tw books i have
2020-02-05 03603, 2020
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they are clearly alt language editions of "the same thing"
2020-02-05 03646, 2020
Mr_Monkey
I understand that, but I still think of the two as separate books, whereas I would consider illustrated and text-only englsh versions the same book
2020-02-05 03649, 2020
CatQuest
anyway why do we have an ability to have several language aliases
2020-02-05 03600, 2020
CatQuest
i totlaly don't agree with that!
2020-02-05 03600, 2020
Mr_Monkey
That an Edition emulates another edition is another story
those aliases shoudl be "translated works" of that work
2020-02-05 03613, 2020
Mr_Monkey
I agree
2020-02-05 03621, 2020
CatQuest
what are the point of alias-language?
2020-02-05 03648, 2020
Mr_Monkey
That is beyond me
2020-02-05 03615, 2020
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translated book is like "different location release (you put in the same RG album released in the US and album released in the UK)
2020-02-05 03643, 2020
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also rerelease 10 years later with extra tracks
2020-02-05 03612, 2020
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but a DVD only release of that album (a live album ok?) is that a separate RG or not?
2020-02-05 03640, 2020
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i cna see both yes and no
2020-02-05 03654, 2020
Mr_Monkey
I don't think there's a 1:1 comparison between MB and BB. I think that won't work in some cases.
2020-02-05 03626, 2020
Mr_Monkey
> different location release
2020-02-05 03626, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Those would be the same content, whereas a translation is a different content
2020-02-05 03634, 2020
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I'm starting to lean towards that EG is "the cannonical book" and RG aliases should have every language. and *all* editions. language and illustratino in it. but translated editions sohuld have transalted works
2020-02-05 03640, 2020
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but
2020-02-05 03655, 2020
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but a comprehensive completely differnt illustrated edition is ALSO differnt ocntent!
