#metabrainz

of the servers?

on the low end we've got a dual quad core with 16gb of ram. On the high end a DB server with 24 cores and 48GB of ram.

and everything in between

man, I need to write the 2014 annual report ASAP.

see server farm.

next year's annual report is going to be crowd sourced.

everyone in the team is going to participate. :)

haha

you laugh, CallerNo6. I'll draft you too. :)

I volunteer to write twenty four non-sequential words.

blu p blup blup blup...

rarh.. http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/201... sends me to an endless loop of Internet Archve and I can't ee the page

it's weird because it says "this page exsist on the live web" but if I try "save this" then it's all "Bummer.

This url is not available on the live web or can not be archived."

CatQuest, hrm. how about http://chatlogs.metabrainz.org/brainzbot/metabr... ?

uh yea but that's 2015 not 2012

sure hope one of these kid in GCI can fix0r the chatlogs

oh, sorry, I was using the link I posted earlier (which gives the same archive.org loop)

other links on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Hosting/Server_names do work. but not that one :/

so, the timestamp link works. the URL I land at cannot be copy/pasted and used.

anyway, it's shower time

and thne bed time

yea. witch is the seveer disedvantage of the new chatlogs

(and honestly)

natta!

:D

CatQuest: http://chatlogs.metabrainz.org/brainzbot/musicb...

thanks chirlu` !

But I agree, the new chatlogs are all shiny and so on, but don’t work well for linking and in non-modern browsers. :-/

indeed

also I counted, the new ones show 10 lines of convo vs the old ones what sowed 20

shoved*

sawned? i hate english

And it was already noticed some days ago that the Archive doesn’t have a complete copy of the old chatlogs.

aww

CatQuest: showed. This one is regular!

aha!

ruaok, have you seen http://contributor-covenant.org/?

who that page starte out as green and then Bam! purple :O

ah scrolling

well anyway, thanks chirlu` and CallerNo6, natta!

chirlu`: CatQuest: I agree, the new chatlogs aren't as useful as the old ones

It's possible to look up the old history in the new system, if you find it hasn't been archived on IA

(I don't fully understand what the problems was with textual logs though)

hopping from one day to the next was a pain

LordSputnik, have you had a chance to think any more about the requirements/comments on them?

conversations were often cut off in the middle

Leftmost: not yet, I'll probably dive in on Tuesday night if I'm not too tired, before our discussions and planning on Wednesday

LordSputnik, I was told you're the lead dev on BookBrainz?

mildused: I'm one of two, Leftmost is the other

Okay, sounds good.

mildused: nice to meet you :)

I've gathered from the logs you're interested in doing GCI this year?

Got a response on the composition issue I filed with bookshelf. Sounds like they think it'd be useful, but think it'd be a fair bit of work. Not surprising. I take it as a good sign.

Leftmost: Hmm, perhaps, that depends how easily they implement big features like that

I haven't noticed any huge updates like that in the past year

The past year it sounds like they've been planning a series of breaking changes, so that's not surprising. Mostly I take it as a positive that the idea wasn't rejected out of hand.

It may require a bit of effort on my part or our part to get it started, but I'll try to get a picture of the future of that issue.

Thanks for using React. It's making my life so much easier.

We've been trying to expand its usage as well. (Though that's mostly LordSputnik's realm; I prefer to live in the backend.)

mildused: Have you been looking at our code? :) All the client UI rendering is React, but we're in the process of converting our server-side Jade templates to React too - that might actually be a useful GCI task

Ooh, good thinking

.

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that before. It's quite simple, so maybe some beginner tasks?

I was thinking of replacing Bootstrap as well.

mildused: what with?

Probably something with a material-design

Have you looked at material-ui

I think you'd have to come up with a really good argument to make that happen - MetaBrainz has become quite attached to Bootstrap recently

I think I've looked at it before

Why bootstrap? If you're looking for a grid layout, bourbon would be a much lighter and cleaner substitute

mildused: mainly because it was the easiest thing to implement at the time, and lots of people know it, so it's more likely to attract new developers who've used it before

I've never heard of bourbon before

It's picking up in the front end sphere

At that point, hadn't CB already set a precedent (of using bootstrap)?

CallerNo6: well, no, I'd used it before in WavePlot anyway, and it was probably used in MusicBottle before that

(I think, anyway)

... I must've picked it up somewhere :P

Not musicbottle, but yeah, it's ubiquitous.

mildused: I'll look into bourbon some more before we update our theme again, it seems to be worth looking into, thanks

mildused: One of our GCI tasks this year will involve looking into themes, so perhaps when that's published it'd be something you're interested in :)

well LordSputnik I'd probably apply for that task myself

I'd definitely prefer our UI to be more flat and to look cleaner and more elegant

like a material design*

Yes, that's what I thought of when I looked it up just now

For my part, I just want it to look nice, be usable, and not make my browser chug. :)

We've also been looking at https://bootswatch.com/flatly/

(well, I, not we :P)

and https://bootswatch.com/cosmo/

If I recall, that's a task for the Code-In?

Yes, on our not-so-secret wiki task list

Working on that right now would make it illegible for me to solve during the code-in...

Oh yeah, I'm not suggesting you work on any of this now

cool

Just describing what we've been looking at

Have you done much with Node.js before?

Extensively

And I guess your front-end JS skills must be OK if you've used React

Ooh, extensively. Can we keep you when GCI is over? :)

Heh, perhaps you know more than me then ;)

I'm a full stack MEAN and Reactiflux dev. Though I do prefer using React over Angular with my eyes closed.

Oh I doubt it, you've been using it in practice, while I make useless projects that are meant to teach me.

Well I've only known it for about a year now, and BookBrainz is technically my first project using it :P

Cool!

So you never know

Search servers again...

mildused: much experience with unit testing?

Regarding your other matter, I'm here for this year's GCI, next years GCI if it doesn't work out this year, and the Summer of Code after that, and most likely a while after that if I make friends...

We're using mocha/chai at the moment for one of our repositories

Yeah I use mocha

mildused: ah nice, I may do summmer of code next year too

Have you tried Tape?

LordSputnik, want me to mentor you? ;)

>.<

Well if it's BB it'll have to be you :P

Wait. Who'll mentor me?

mildused: for GCI, Leftmost or I on BookBrainz stuff

nice...

Tape's a pretty cool testing utility

mildused: Never used Tape, how does it compare with mocha?

Heh, I just find it funny that if you did do GSoC with a BookBrainz project, you'd need a mentor, despite being a lead. :-P

This medium made hackernews and convinced me this past summer

Leftmost: Afaik I can't be my own mentor (Gentlecat might know that?)

I don't think you can, though you could still mentor someone else.

not officially

not on the project you work on, obviously

hi all, it seems like there are some scripts on the VM (mb-server) that are not in the github repository?

for example bin/reindex

The issues it lists with mocha haven't *hugely* bothered me so far, apart from taking a while to get used to beforeEach and afterEach

LordSputnik, Material-UI usage in practice https://www.call-em-all.com/

For react components I like Mocha with JSDom and Mockery

During the code-in, how would I link my Name to my IRC name?

Ergh. I really don't like how much vertical space is being used there.

mildused: in what context?

For my name?

Leftmost: vertical space is cheap, most browsers are mobile

ah nvm seems to be undocumented and only available in bitbucket: https://bitbucket.org/metabrainz/search-server

interesting though...

LordSputnik, making people scroll to do what they want is a good way to get people to not bother.