hey, I read about publications, editions and works on bb yearlier. but I wonder, how does that owkr with trasnaltions? eg, I have a *translationed* version of Lord of the Rings "Ringenes Herre" which is an edition of the publication, a work which is a translated version of the original english work?
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Mogmi
(translated*)
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Mogmi
(oh wait)
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Mogmi
(nvm)
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CatQuest
ah I even have "hvor er willy" (where's wally erh.. waldo in norwegian)
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CatQuest
ok so I misspelled it twice other places and you chose ot pick the *one* where I didn't? fail on you spellingnazi :P
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The_Catman
publications are language agnostic
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The_Catman
editions can only have one language
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The_Catman
but it looks like works might be able to have multiple?
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reosarevok
I'd imagine that'd be a new work, but unsure how they've done this :)
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The_Catman
i think it hasn't been fully fleshed out yet
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CatQuest
they're language agnostic.. so that means the may or may not belive in language?:P
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CatQuest
The_Catman: people might think you're me :O
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The_Catman
i'd think a translated work should be a new work, but it looks like it's setup so that you can assign multiple languages to a work
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CatQuest
indeed. wich is why i'm confused
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CatQuest
same with editinos and publications
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CatQuest
everything really
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The_Catman
editions can definitely only have one language
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CatQuest
not last time i looked
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CatQuest
but it's been a while ago
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The_Catman
with a multiple language tag for multilingual editions
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CatQuest
oh we have that now?
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The_Catman
because it wouldn't be the same edition if it was in a different language
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CatQuest
i deff need to check out bb again during juleferien
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The_Catman
publication doesn't care about language at all
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CatQuest
I haven't added much since my first batch beasuse the input was so... alpha ^__^,
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reosarevok
CatQuest: I thought The_Catman was you for a moment, but the amount of typos was too low ;p
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The_Catman
so all editions of the same book, whatever the language, should be under the same publication
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The_Catman
ha
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The_Catman
yeah, i noticed there's a few cats in this channel
I know you can spell, I've mostly always assumed you type too fast
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CatQuest
:smugface:
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CatQuest
it's true
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The_Catman
i get pretty messy when i type to fast too
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The_Catman
i also use completely the wrong word sometimes because reasons
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CatQuest
if I slow down, then my point is lost by the time I am finished typing and the conversation has shifted. that is usually what happens when i take the time to type slow, atleast, that has been, my experience in the past. which is what lead me to start typing that fast
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CatQuest
spent a minute writing that. so. slow.
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reosarevok
haha
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CatQuest
is it imput or input btw?
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CatQuest
input?
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reosarevok
Yeah, we generally understand what you mean anyway so why not type fast
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reosarevok
input
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The_Catman
input
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CatQuest
hah, that's what I wrote as a substitution myself so it must be in
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The_Catman
CatQuest, is english not your native tongue?
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CatQuest
¬__¬
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CatQuest
no
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CatQuest
but it isn't reosarevoks either!
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CatQuest
and I am the only one who actually reosarevoks, not reotabs! so there!
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Freso
The_Catman: A work can be in multiple languages, hence why you need to be able to assign multiple languages to it. The only example I can think of right now are language books (dictionaries etc.), but I'm sure there's other literature as well that's using multiple languages.
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Freso
The_Catman | so all editions of the same book, whatever the language, should be under the same publication -- Are you sure about this?
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The_Catman
heh, i've made more revisions to BB than Leftmost and LordSputnik combined today =P
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The_Catman
Freso, i would assume so? I see no reason why translated editions should be considered a different publication than each other
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CatQuest
I am in general rather confused about editions vs publications , when it's just release -> release group it's fine, but when diff languages get put in the equation, I am mega confused.
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Freso
I don't think that's necessarily saying much though. :) No one has really been that active editing BB since everything is kind of in flux.
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CatQuest
I need like a diagram or osmething. a flowchart
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CatQuest
preferably with maybe a musicbrainz analogue next to it
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CatQuest
also it's not all decided yet? some things are still a flux
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Freso
The_Catman: Because it's a different language? If the MB:Release Group→BB:Publication mapping is to be relied on, MB:Release Group would probably be one RG for each language.
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The_Catman
mp release groups aren't like that
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CatQuest
hnn I don't agree? some diff alng in same RG
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CatQuest
The_Catman: exactly
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CatQuest
mp? mb!
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CatQuest
qw <-- stand upside down
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The_Catman
one release group would have multiple language releases under it if they're the same album, i'm pretty sure
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The_Catman
there's not a lot of instances of albums being fully translated into another language though
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The_Catman
other than just song titles and such
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CatQuest
anyway I'm going to have bath, than play Den Lengste Reisen, since i managed to get the original lang working by copying the downloaded Longest Journey from gog and t00bed with the files from my cd version and I managed ot create a franken thing that actually has the original norwegian \o/ hurray!
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CatQuest
then not than. wtf
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CatQuest
it stole the a fro mthe bath
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CatQuest
<-- away!
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The_Catman
Freso, from the MB style guideline for RG >"There are a number of situations where there is currently no consensus about whether releases should be grouped together or not. This includes the same album sung in different languages[...]"
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The_Catman
so, there's no current standard for this situation on musicbrainz
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The_Catman
but as far as bookbrainz goes, i think it would make more sense to group translated editions under the same publication, creating dozens of publications for the same basic work just seems silly to me
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Freso
The_Catman: And with BB being much(!) younger and much more in flux and not really with any guidelines yet, why do you assume it is more set-in-stone for BB:Publications?
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Freso
A novel is as much a basic work as an album is.
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stanislas
Hi. You've said something about complementary tasks about the Calibre BookBrainz integration plugin. I am really interested :)
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The_Catman
that'll be something for the syle council to decide on
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CatQuest
[17:04] <The_Catman> but as far as bookbrainz goes, i think it would make more sense to group translated editions under the same publication, creating dozens of publications for the same basic work just seems silly to me +1
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The_Catman
Freso, i didn't assume it was more set in stone, i assumed what made most sense to me, and suggested it
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The_Catman
i suppose my original statement may have sounded set in stone, but it should have been followed with an "i think", forgive a guy for thinking out loud without clarifying it once
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Freso
"publications are language agnostic", "so all editions of the same book, whatever the language, should be under the same publication"
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Freso
Yeah.
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The_Catman
but that is true that publications are language agnostic
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The_Catman
you can't set a language on a publication
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The_Catman
whcich would make distinguishing publications by language impossible right now
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Freso
That doesn't mean that that's what intended. It might be an oversight, it might be something Leftmost and LordSputnik are adding to the new version of the schema they're currently cooking up.
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Freso
I'm not convinced either way.
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The_Catman
i am very aware
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Freso
And again, back to why it's not necessarily saying much that you have made more edits than those two (also, most active editors have made more edits to MB than ruaok has!), since everything is kind of in flux, so potential BB editors from MeB haven't really picked it up yet, as things change around too much.
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The_Catman
i'm also aware of that
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The_Catman
it was not a serious remark on anything, just a fun note
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The_Catman
hence the "=P"
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The_Catman
I'm just a weirdo entering his entire library because he's bored, they're actually make the whole thing work
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Freso
And I think that's great. :) Don't get me wrong. I just don't think that presenting thoughts as facts is a good way to go about arguing for a certain thing.
