Probably need something longer than "Furthest to the left", eh?
2016-01-22 02234, 2016
gcilou
:)
2016-01-22 02213, 2016
gcilou
Freso, I'll make your latest changes when adding Leftmost
2016-01-22 02220, 2016
darwin
I talk about the "leftmost prefix" in my job all the time...
2016-01-22 02221, 2016
Freso
Leftmost: "Not exactly right."
2016-01-22 02225, 2016
Freso
So fitting in so many ways.
2016-01-22 02251, 2016
Freso
;D
2016-01-22 02259, 2016
Leo_Verto
Leftmost, well, I was going to suggest the oxford dictionary definition, but apparently it's just that
2016-01-22 02201, 2016
kepstin
gcilou: should probably put a credit there to satisfy the wikipedia content license ;)
2016-01-22 02219, 2016
Leo_Verto
I mean, something like "furthest away from that right side" looks a lot better
2016-01-22 02226, 2016
gcilou
okay like link to wiki
2016-01-22 02234, 2016
gcilou
?
2016-01-22 02251, 2016
kepstin
hmm, is that actually from wikipedia?
2016-01-22 02256, 2016
Leftmost
<3 u 2, Freso.
2016-01-22 02212, 2016
gcilou
Yes like the 2nd paragraph
2016-01-22 02230, 2016
Freso
4th :)
2016-01-22 02242, 2016
gcilou
same thing ;)
2016-01-22 02249, 2016
kepstin
wikipedia text is under CC-BY-SA, so just putting a small note saying "Content [CC-BY-SA], from [Wikipedia]" linking to the license and wiki page should be good.
As that's the authoritative one. But yeah, both should contain the same text.
2016-01-22 02205, 2016
Freso
And the bio blurb should be changed soon enough anyway.
2016-01-22 02238, 2016
Leo_Verto
So, "Blatantly ripped off of Wikipedia" is not a valid license note? D:
2016-01-22 02217, 2016
gcilou
link to wikipedia or link to bitmap page of wikipedia?
2016-01-22 02233, 2016
kepstin
link to the page where you got the text would be best.
2016-01-22 02200, 2016
kepstin
Leo_Verto: nah, with SA you need to include a license declaration so people can blatantly rip from you, too. (That would be fine without the share-alike clause tho)
2016-01-22 02252, 2016
Leo_Verto
Ah, are there actually any cases where not using SA would make sense?
2016-01-22 02201, 2016
kepstin
sure, it's approximately equivalent to using e.g. a BSD, MIT, Apache code license rather than GPL
2016-01-22 02228, 2016
kepstin
it just depends on which rights you want to give people using the work
2016-01-22 02215, 2016
Leo_Verto
Couldn't someone copy your code and release it under something like WTFPL allowing any third party to use it without any kind of attribution?
2016-01-22 02244, 2016
Leo_Verto
I mean, that's why non-SA CC licenses are probably so rare
2016-01-22 02220, 2016
kepstin
you have to read the full text of the license. The non-SA license doesn't allow you to redistribute under a license that removes the attribution clause, iirc
2016-01-22 02238, 2016
Freso
Leo_Verto: Even WTFPL/CC0 will not allow you to use the code without attribution in a number of jurisdictions.
2016-01-22 02250, 2016
Leo_Verto
Thanks for explaining that, I always wondered why SA isn't basically included in CC
2016-01-22 02252, 2016
Freso
s/code/"creative work"/
2016-01-22 02210, 2016
Leo_Verto
Yeah, which is kind of a problem :/
2016-01-22 02250, 2016
Leo_Verto
Taking the right of the owner to freely decide what to do with their work seems kinda odd to me
2016-01-22 02241, 2016
kepstin
Leo_Verto: SA requires you to grant all the same rights you have to people making derivatives of your work. BY is the opposite, it reserves a right (to redistribute), when not fulfilling a condition.
2016-01-22 02214, 2016
kepstin
(more or less, IANAL, etc.)
2016-01-22 02249, 2016
Freso
Well, if the owner of some IP has released said IP under WTFPL, they're very unlikely to press charges on you for not crediting sources properly.
2016-01-22 02208, 2016
Leo_Verto
Heh, true
2016-01-22 02245, 2016
kepstin
that said, commercial entities often avoid WTFPL stuff, particularly in europe, because it's untested and may not be a valid license in some places.
2016-01-22 02251, 2016
Freso
(And I would guess the same goes for most CC0 ones. If they cared about being credited, they'd've used CC-by.)
2016-01-22 02220, 2016
gcilou
Leftmost, is there a bio in the works?
2016-01-22 02224, 2016
Leo_Verto
Though it might be legally too risky to use those works when affected by these jurisdictions.
2016-01-22 02258, 2016
kepstin
according to what i've read, lawyers suggest that the WTFPL would *probably* be understood as the author intended in US courts.
2016-01-22 02210, 2016
kepstin
but it would be safer to use CC0 instead
2016-01-22 02237, 2016
gcilou
Freso, go on without Leftmost?
2016-01-22 02249, 2016
Leftmost
gcilou, I'll work on something, but it will likely be a few hours before I can get started.
2016-01-22 02255, 2016
gcilou
okay :)
2016-01-22 02232, 2016
Freso
So yes, go on to the right.
2016-01-22 02200, 2016
gcilou
;)
2016-01-22 02207, 2016
gcilou
Freso, and submit?
2016-01-22 02231, 2016
gcilou
I did anyway
2016-01-22 02201, 2016
LordSputnik
opatel99: I've had an idea about examples
2016-01-22 02212, 2016
LordSputnik
But it can wait until after the guideline is accepted
opatel99: Actually, stick with what I said before, let's do it in a new style update so we can get this task done
2016-01-22 02217, 2016
Leftmost
LordSputnik, opatel99, any reason that the standards aren't applied to Creators and Publishers when relevant?
2016-01-22 02220, 2016
Freso
Leo_Verto: Just because there are guidelines does not mean those guidelines instruct in using git *proper*.
2016-01-22 02237, 2016
LordSputnik
Leftmost: because those have official names
2016-01-22 02239, 2016
opatel99
Leftmost: Umm. Those are names?
2016-01-22 02251, 2016
LordSputnik
opatel99: technically titles are names too
2016-01-22 02216, 2016
Freso
Leo_Verto: Anyway, it was supposed to be a joke, and it didn't happen, so never mind. Move on.
2016-01-22 02218, 2016
Leftmost
They have official names, but generally not official capitalizations.
2016-01-22 02220, 2016
Leo_Verto
Freso, well, duh, it's our project so we obviously get to decide what's right :P
2016-01-22 02228, 2016
LordSputnik
The thing is, if there's an official source for capitalization, that should be used regardless of guidelines
2016-01-22 02241, 2016
Freso
Leo_Verto: Yeah. You miss the point of what would have been the joke.
2016-01-22 02244, 2016
Leo_Verto
and by project I mean repository
2016-01-22 02245, 2016
LordSputnik
"Artist intent" overrides everything
2016-01-22 02201, 2016
Freso goes do cena f'realz
2016-01-22 02224, 2016
Leo_Verto
Freso, blame it on me being German, I guess
2016-01-22 02226, 2016
Leftmost
LordSputnik, as has been established on MB repeatedly, it's a rare case where there's artist intent involved in capitalization.
2016-01-22 02211, 2016
LordSputnik
Leftmost: ehh OK, I think "and Creators and Publisher where relevant" could work then?
2016-01-22 02214, 2016
Leftmost
If a book is explicitly titled "House Of Cards", we still capitalize it "House of Cards" because it's doubtful that the author thought, "I'm going to capitalize the o in of to make a statement".
2016-01-22 02226, 2016
LordSputnik
obviously with corrected spellings/punctuation :P
2016-01-22 02200, 2016
kepstin
do note that if something is a trademarked name, the trademark may specify particular capitalization
2016-01-22 02205, 2016
LordSputnik
Leftmost: well yeah, unless the author specifically spells out the capitalization, you have to assume that's a random decision by the publisher
2016-01-22 02206, 2016
Leftmost
Also curious about line 14. That seems... an odd addition.
2016-01-22 02206, 2016
Leo_Verto
Ohh
2016-01-22 02216, 2016
kepstin
which should be followed where applicable
2016-01-22 02249, 2016
opatel99
Should I split those up Leftmost ?
2016-01-22 02251, 2016
LordSputnik
^ that sounds good kepstin
2016-01-22 02210, 2016
LordSputnik
opatel99: I don't think line 14 makes sense at the moment, have a look and see whether MB has that better
2016-01-22 02234, 2016
Leftmost
Line 14 should maybe be stricken, especially since it means a number of the examples are wrong. (It'd result in "How to win Friends and Influence People", for example.)
2016-01-22 02249, 2016
Leftmost
"Of mice and Men", "Brave new World".
2016-01-22 02206, 2016
Leftmost
"The old man and the Sea".
2016-01-22 02231, 2016
opatel99
Removed.
2016-01-22 02253, 2016
LordSputnik
opatel99: oh yeah, it comflicts with #2.3 from the MB guidelines we're including now
We might want to add a note saying these are based on the MB guidelines too
2016-01-22 02210, 2016
LordSputnik
eg. "These guidelines are heavily based on the MusicBrainz English Capitalisation guidelines, which have been developed over the course of several years by a group of volunteers"
2016-01-22 02223, 2016
LordSputnik
and link to the original page
2016-01-22 02250, 2016
LordSputnik
Actually, forget that, we'll stick that on the front page
2016-01-22 02202, 2016
LordSputnik
So we don't have to keep repeating it everywhere we borrow from the MB guidelines
2016-01-22 02249, 2016
opatel99
Ok. Caught up now.
2016-01-22 02252, 2016
opatel99
Though I am eager to have this contribution, I don't want us to overlook anything by acting rashly. I'm willing to wait the time...
2016-01-22 02242, 2016
LordSputnik
opatel99: I'd rather have incremental improvements than try and get it perfect first time
2016-01-22 02229, 2016
LordSputnik
Leftmost: Leo_Verto: I think we should also update the style process to discourage initially proposing in a PR, so that collaboration can happen more easily
2016-01-22 02204, 2016
LordSputnik
the more people that get involved early on, the more people invested in pushing the guideline along
2016-01-22 02233, 2016
Freso
👍
2016-01-22 02200, 2016
Freso come cena
2016-01-22 02210, 2016
Freso
*como(?)
2016-01-22 02235, 2016
Freso
Did reosarevok go to sleep or why isn't he correcting me?
2016-01-22 02239, 2016
opatel99
I haven't heard from Mineo in a while. Did the auto sort get resolved with QSemaphore?
2016-01-22 02203, 2016
Freso como cena: arroz y salsa
2016-01-22 02210, 2016
gcilou
Freso, so are we waiting for Gentlecat to look at it?
2016-01-22 02247, 2016
Freso
Yeah. I don't think I have any more comments, but Gentlecat is the ultimate code quality authority for this repository :)
gcilou: It's unlikely that anyone else will claim the other MeB task, I think, so I guess you could start working on it, so you're ready to submit it when you can claim it, if you feel like it.
2016-01-22 02235, 2016
gcilou
okay
2016-01-22 02214, 2016
Freso
gcilou: Yeah, that looks a bit off. But looks like something that should be fixed with CSS/LESS rather than random <br/>'s :)
2016-01-22 02235, 2016
gcilou
hm. Leo_Verto?
2016-01-22 02211, 2016
Freso
Actually, I think it's "Yo como cena: ...", but "Él comen cena: ..."? reosarevok, y u no here?
2016-01-22 02225, 2016
Freso
Él come?
2016-01-22 02228, 2016
Freso
Jeez.
2016-01-22 02245, 2016
Freso should go look at a verb table or something
2016-01-22 02205, 2016
Leo_Verto
sorry, in a dota match right now
2016-01-22 02208, 2016
Leo_Verto
will talk when dead
2016-01-22 02215, 2016
gcilou
ok
2016-01-22 02213, 2016
LordSputnik
Freso: I only know that "como" is part of "Como estas?" :P
2016-01-22 02215, 2016
gcilou
nevermind, I fixed it. Sorry for poking you prematurely.
