#metabrainz

one sec, we're fighting with paperwork

rahulr: it should still save cover art if none already exists, though, right? then it should always be downloaded, because files can be matched to an album after it's loaded

I wish

ruaok: are you able to come to our barrio?

we can find a bar close by so we can all get there easily

our? all?

what am I signing up for?

SF barrio?

Guys, I've got a question… hopefully a really simple one! I've just noticed that our server is throwing "Can't connect to 127.0.0.1:9009 Connection refused" when accessing /ws/2

hmm, 9009 is the port used by our new template renderer, so that sounds like it isn't running

I guess the most likely reason is that /root/server.js isn't working properly

do you know what's rendered by that server? How critical is it to the normal slave operations?

right now it's just used to render our 404 page, but we're planning to render all templates with it

it should started automatically if RENDERER_HOST isn't configured, otherwise it can be started with ./script/start_renderer.pl

ok, so I've got until my next server upgrade to fix this! :)

I suppose we should look into whether it should be throwing that if you're just accessing /ws/2

Awesome, thank you so much bitmap!

oh, that error can happen with /ws/2 if the request 404s in certain cases

Yep, found it: /ws/2/artists :)

got any example of a /ws/2 request that returns "Can't connect to 127.0.0.1:9009"?

heh :)

well, we should be returning an XML response there in any case, not HTML, so still a bug on our side

Well at the moment, just accessing /ws/2 returns Connection refused

It doesn't even return html, it's just plain text! :D

yeah, any path not defined in the API will error like that

It dies in LWP/Protocol/http.pm line 47

it'd return HTML if the renderer was running :)

:D

omg windows 10 is so weird..

At least it's not Windows 8 :p

I upgraded from 7 so this is a big jump

Oh, ok, then yeah

You skipped the worst part still though ;)

haha good. I only use my PC for school stuff occasionally though..just when I need to use a cd..

wait til it tries to install candy crush saga all the time ;)

lol I saw it pop up earlier lol

bitmap: IIRC http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-8825 was because you told me to? :) Or did I misunderstand?

navap: I won't contact them any more until you're done with them

oh...I think I said cursor: default but meant pointer

sorry :P

heh

ruaok: name change request - I don't have the privs

thanks biff.

:p

Do you read all the mails anyway? I try to mention the ones that are relevant so you don't need to read the whole thing, but I can stop if you want

I do read them.

someone has to keep tabs on reotab

dammit bitmap, I was doing it :p

Ok then

Less work for me :p

gcilou, DOOOOM!

why?

Maybe he wants you to install the game :p

oh lol. I know it's soo addicting. Just don't want it on my laptop :)

Windows 10 is evil

Leo_Verto: isn't it basically ok as long as you deactivate all the "oh yeah disregard my privacy" bits?

nah, still keeps making requests to MS servers

even the server version does

and as a power user, metro feels horrible for mouse and keyboard and they basically removed features to move stuff from system control to that sidebar

hm well good thing I use my Air most of the time :)

Have you tried our Lord and savior, Linux? :P

lol no

It even has Sunless Sea now! :p

developing anything that's not .NET on windows is atrocious, never tried OSX but I'm really happy with my customized KDE on Arch

Also I see you joined SLUG, reosarevok :P

Heh

It's kinda funny in my school actually

Everyone has some Windows lappy or other

So whenever we need to get something running everyone keeps hitting different problems

For me it tends to be "oh, I ran apt-get and it worked" :p

Heh

Always issues with connecting to a RADIUS wlan

and every win version requires a different fix, even 8 and 8.1

I don't really get people who say that Windows "just work". I mean, have they actually used Windows?

It does for some things I guess?

A few

Not many

To be fair, I still need to run service network-manager restart on reboot for my wifi to work

So I'm not going to claim my install "just works" either :D

I think it depends on the attitude

Windows "works" mostly because of good driver support

And if you don't care about customization, aren't a dev and just want to browse facebook, it probably works for you

If you however try to customize it or develop stuff, you're going to run into a wall

gcilou, generally I'd recommend setting up a linux system (even if it's just in a VM), I felt I learned a lot from that

and I haven't even touched Linux From Scratch

might take two or three tries until you understand everything well enough to fix stuff you break trying to do other stuff, but you can get a system that is tailored to your needs and workflow and looks good

and wow, I do like monologues :P

I mean, I learnt not to fear the terminal back when I had a macbook

OSX isn't that bad

For that

I guess, it seems to be pretty popular with developers

It "just works" in that sense which might be better for work

but I love tinkering

Leo_Verto, sounds interesting ! Sorry I was in a meeting with some dudes who I'm going to be on a programming team with for a competition :)

programming or robotics?

programming

How does that even work?

Heh, that momment when I'm thinking "oh, I so agree with that ticket Gentlecat just commented on" without noticing it's my own ticket :D

At least I'm consistent.

lol

It'd be more amusing if you'd been like "that's the most daft thing anyone has ever asked! ... oh."

I'm sure I'd think that of some old tickets of mine :p

Freso: we had a team competition on programming in our school

Freso, just a bunch of teams of two or three people sitting in a big room with computers working on problem sets trying to get the most done in a certain amount of time :) lol

I ended up doing everything because nobody else had a clue, but

It was supposed to be "every member on the team works on a different piece of the site / software"

(honestly, I got picked as top 3 student in my class and I don't even speak the language fluently, that's how bad it is :p)

I once got top grade for a game we didn't even hand it

these are the types of problems we are going to be doing http://hspc.csce.uark.edu/wp-content/uploads/20...

A friend of mine made the client, I did the server and handled project administration and the third guy had no idea how to Java and just made some art

^ that type of thing sounds interesting

ended up being a fun little game with a unique art style

lan multiplayer was a bit problematic due to desyncs though

Heh, that sounds kinda fun

(to both of you)

We had a lot of fun, did a lot of unrelated stuff and learned how to use Git

well this is my first "live in-person" comp. so it should be interesting at least :)

For ours, we had to make this basic website and ordering system for the school restaurant, and then present it

It was a few hours and the site was a mess, of course :p

All of those seem like interesting exercises, but I guess my aversion towards competitions just makes the whole thing seem icky to me. :)

The presentations were apparently worse than the sites though :D

We got an extra class on presentations the week after because they were all so bad :p

Freso, wasn't a competition in my case, just IT class

Yeah, I think that the time constraints are going to kill me :\

Freso: generally agreed, yes. (good) Students in this country are all crazy about competitions, and they even get scholarships and stuff for them

Leo_Verto: Yeah, I was referring specifically to the PDF gcilou linked.

I find team programming is a great thing to learn, but you really need team partners willing to work

Competitive learning is a bit weird for me :p

But still, as long as you do it for fun, and have fun, who cares about the prize

yeah today was my first time meeting these guys, so we'll see what they're made up of ;)

(we'll meaning I...)

My issue is when people go all competitive like WE NEED TO WIN THIS and it's like "dude just chill and learn stuff" :p

^

A lot of funding and competitions for sciences here, never heard of anything promoting IT in schools

But you also lived pretty much on the border to China. :p