also mbids and bbids should be noth unique no matter wich nayway
2016-03-26 08602, 2016
CatQuest
Leo_Verto: cd's can do that too
2016-03-26 08603, 2016
Freso
I guess CAA has /release/ and /release-group/ end-points now, so it could be expanded to /publication/ (or bb-publication perhaps, to introduce some form of name spacing?) without being backards incompatible.
2016-03-26 08606, 2016
LordSputnik
Freso: yeah, so if we use the /release/ endpoint for our editions, and /release-group/ for edition groups, it should work
2016-03-26 08620, 2016
Freso
LordSputnik: But those take MBIDs.
2016-03-26 08609, 2016
LordSputnik
Right, but they're all UUIDs, and ideally we'd ensure that they're unique across projects
2016-03-26 08629, 2016
CatQuest
indeed
2016-03-26 08634, 2016
LordSputnik
In a perfect world, and artist in MusicBrainz who also writes books should have the same UUID in BookBrainz
2016-03-26 08659, 2016
CatQuest
yes!
2016-03-26 08659, 2016
LordSputnik
And then MB and BB just become different "views" of all the data we have stored on that person/group
2016-03-26 08614, 2016
LordSputnik
But for now, we can just use namespacing as you suggest
2016-03-26 08620, 2016
Freso
LordSputnik: Sure, but it may be hard to look up a UUID to figure out if it's from the BB db or the MB db.
2016-03-26 08614, 2016
Freso
To figure out if a UUID is a specific MB entity, it's all still in the same db, same for BB entities. I do foresee issues when trying to determine whether a UUID is an entity in the foreign db.
2016-03-26 08621, 2016
LordSputnik
hopefully we can come up with solutions for sharing uuids in the (distant) future
2016-03-26 08631, 2016
Freso
Yep.
2016-03-26 08631, 2016
CatQuest
how about the near future
2016-03-26 08657, 2016
LordSputnik
CatQuest: it'd be nice, but this is something that needs lots of planning and work, and there are bigger priorities at the moment
2016-03-26 08600, 2016
CatQuest
the closer the better, less change of the impossible improbablity that an uuid is the same in both databases but not the same thing
2016-03-26 08627, 2016
CatQuest
LordSputnik: clear basic functionality of course. and all that stuff that takes time
2016-03-26 08630, 2016
LordSputnik
Freso: so, bottom line on CAA is, we'd like to use it, but we need some contact with the IA to work out how to get stuff done
2016-03-26 08644, 2016
LordSputnik
Leo_Verto: CatQuest: back to UX improvements, then?
2016-03-26 08651, 2016
CatQuest
"UI"
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LordSputnik
U[XI]
2016-03-26 08617, 2016
CatQuest
I'll be calling it ui, anyway :P
2016-03-26 08621, 2016
Leo_Verto
Okay
2016-03-26 08643, 2016
LordSputnik
So, we want better rror messages, particularly for login. Maybe also for failure when we submit things
2016-03-26 08655, 2016
CatQuest
yes those are important
2016-03-26 08659, 2016
Leo_Verto
I agree, that should be our main priority
2016-03-26 08601, 2016
LordSputnik
Some custom 404/50x pages would be nice too
2016-03-26 08639, 2016
LordSputnik
Additionally, I think we should include MB login in the UX update, so that we get some account management (inc. ability to reset/change passwords)
2016-03-26 08616, 2016
Freso
LordSputnik: I think it's just writing the IA and ask for some more buckets. reosarevok should know specifics, I think.
2016-03-26 08656, 2016
LordSputnik
So error handling/messages and MB OAuth could be the two big things we get done. We could also use some of the GCI page designs to improve editing, entity display and the homepage
2016-03-26 08659, 2016
Freso
LordSputnik: Didn't you just drop e-mails from your db?
2016-03-26 08619, 2016
Freso
(Re: resetting passwords.)
2016-03-26 08625, 2016
LordSputnik
Freso: but MB does store emails, and there's an interface in MB to do that
2016-03-26 08633, 2016
LordSputnik
(reset/changed password)
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Freso
... Yes?
2016-03-26 08626, 2016
Freso
MB does store emails, but BB does/will not.
2016-03-26 08639, 2016
LordSputnik
Freso: and if we're using SSO, it'll be possible to change passwords on MB - it's just a case of making that functionality available somehow in BB, via the MB pages
2016-03-26 08648, 2016
Freso
Okay.
2016-03-26 08632, 2016
LordSputnik
We may even be able to somehow make use of the MB change/reset form handlers for that, and add a custom UI for BB
2016-03-26 08654, 2016
Freso
(Why do we need passwords on BB again once MB auth is introduced?)
2016-03-26 08606, 2016
LordSputnik
Freso: it'll be the same password
2016-03-26 08620, 2016
Freso
Okay...
2016-03-26 08630, 2016
LordSputnik
It won't be stored in BB, I'm talking about the password use to login through MB
2016-03-26 08639, 2016
LordSputnik
(that's what I meant by "we get some account management" - by using OAuth, the user is using their MB account, so all the functionality that MB has for account management will work for BB)
2016-03-26 08645, 2016
LordSputnik
CatQuest: Leo_Verto: any other UI things to do you can think of?
2016-03-26 08606, 2016
CatQuest
only the recurring thing with divs being hella invisible for me
2016-03-26 08614, 2016
Leo_Verto
It might be useful to start collecting general user feedback on the UI
2016-03-26 08620, 2016
CatQuest
because they are so extreamly of the side
2016-03-26 08637, 2016
Leo_Verto
Or the UX, when it comes to adding data
2016-03-26 08651, 2016
LordSputnik
CatQuest: didn't you update to a slightly newer Firefox?
2016-03-26 08656, 2016
LordSputnik
Is it still a problem there?
2016-03-26 08606, 2016
CatQuest
yes. it is unfortunately
2016-03-26 08624, 2016
LordSputnik
Ok, we'll try and find out what the issue is
2016-03-26 08634, 2016
Leo_Verto
As most of us are seasoned MB users and BB devs, problems in the workflow might not be super clear to us
2016-03-26 08649, 2016
LordSputnik
Leo_Verto: but how do we get that feedback?
2016-03-26 08656, 2016
CatQuest
I can tel lyo uthat even tho i've used the tingi can tell yo uit's not a very "flow"
2016-03-26 08611, 2016
LordSputnik
I believe Leftmost made a Discourse topic for that, but so far I'm not sure anyone has replied
2016-03-26 08620, 2016
CatQuest
basiclly: when adding a "release" that isa n edition, i cna't, because I have to add publisher (separatly)
2016-03-26 08630, 2016
Quora
I got a little confused about the differences between a publication and work which wasn't explained in the style guide
2016-03-26 08647, 2016
CatQuest
heh
2016-03-26 08658, 2016
Leo_Verto
LordSputnik, I don't think Leftmost's topic is aimed at end users
2016-03-26 08627, 2016
Leo_Verto
I'd suggest explicitly inviting users to discuss problems and using a poll
2016-03-26 08627, 2016
Quora
actually ignore me, its all good
2016-03-26 08633, 2016
Leo_Verto
Because polls are awesome
2016-03-26 08646, 2016
Quora
the types in data are different :p
2016-03-26 08601, 2016
LordSputnik
Quora: yeah, we have a very brief style guide right now :P
2016-03-26 08607, 2016
Leo_Verto
I'm not sure if this would be part of UX improvement, but we need to work on getting more style guidelines set up
2016-03-26 08609, 2016
CatQuest
polls! \o/
2016-03-26 08622, 2016
LordSputnik
Leo_Verto: I was just going to say that
2016-03-26 08652, 2016
Leo_Verto
On that matter, we need to revise our style process to use Discourse
2016-03-26 08658, 2016
LordSputnik
Well I think between error handling, docs, MB login and editing improvements, we have enough (probably too much) to focus on until June
2016-03-26 08608, 2016
Leo_Verto
Yep
2016-03-26 08630, 2016
Leo_Verto
Do we have an updated roadmap?
2016-03-26 08638, 2016
LordSputnik
reosarevok: Freso: when you're both around next, I'd like to try to work out a plan for getting BB using CAA
2016-03-26 08645, 2016
Freso
👍
2016-03-26 08650, 2016
LordSputnik
maybe during/after Monday's meeting?
2016-03-26 08657, 2016
LordSputnik
Leo_Verto: No, I should do that :P
2016-03-26 08605, 2016
LordSputnik
I'll put it on my list today
2016-03-26 08647, 2016
LordSputnik
I think that's probably it then...
2016-03-26 08650, 2016
LordSputnik
</BANG>
2016-03-26 08628, 2016
LordSputnik
thanks Leo_Verto, Leftmost, CatQuest, Freso and Quora :)
2016-03-26 08631, 2016
CatQuest
:D
2016-03-26 08615, 2016
LordSputnik
hmm, perhaps we should implement a basic mode
2016-03-26 08638, 2016
LordSputnik
we could then prrobably cut down the time to add most books to about a minute
2016-03-26 08619, 2016
LordSputnik
and just ask for title, author, publisher, release date
2016-03-26 08649, 2016
CatQuest
\o/
2016-03-26 08655, 2016
CatQuest
YESSS
2016-03-26 08625, 2016
Freso
+2
2016-03-26 08629, 2016
Freso
Eh. 1.
2016-03-26 08634, 2016
Freso
But 2 works too, I guess. :p
2016-03-26 08640, 2016
CatQuest
nono +2 is acurate
2016-03-26 08650, 2016
LordSputnik
Freso: that's some strong support :P
2016-03-26 08657, 2016
CatQuest +4
2016-03-26 08620, 2016
Freso
LordSputnik: 2 and 1 are right next to each other on the keyboard!11!!l1!
2016-03-26 08629, 2016
CatQuest
+555!!!!
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zas
outsidecontext: pm me when around (about logs/plugin/discourse)
but there are only two inserts into medium_format, both with different ids
2016-03-26 08651, 2016
bitmap
ah
2016-03-26 08602, 2016
bitmap
they already exist in the database though, from t/sql/initial.sql
2016-03-26 08649, 2016
bitmap
you can just remove any 'INSERT INTO medium_format' lines as long as the ids/names are the same
2016-03-26 08606, 2016
Gentlecat
ah
2016-03-26 08616, 2016
bitmap
(the same as what's in t/sql/initial.sql, I mean
2016-03-26 08618, 2016
bitmap
)
2016-03-26 08633, 2016
bitmap
sorry, should've cleaned those up when I changed that
2016-03-26 08646, 2016
Gentlecat
no worries
2016-03-26 08620, 2016
reosarevok
LordSputnik / Freso: it's not super hard, but I'm a bit shy to ask for more stuff until we have the event art archive stuff working :p
2016-03-26 08651, 2016
reosarevok
Of course, if we get the event archive stuff working, that'll probably involve generalising most of the stuff to be bucket-agnostic and should make the book cover stuff much easier still :p
