I mean, the edit notes are stored but they're a bit more hidden
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reosarevok
And the "comment"/disambiguation isn't the right place :)
2016-05-01 12243, 2016
madmouser1
nope
2016-05-01 12218, 2016
madmouser1
ok lets leave it at that for now, I might push it ot the notes field just because I can :-)
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reosarevok
Honestly, we've had stuff like that in the annotation before
2016-05-01 12219, 2016
reosarevok
Once we have release attributes in the same way we have work attributes now, the IDs can go there
2016-05-01 12226, 2016
reosarevok
(and that's planned, eventually :) )
2016-05-01 12239, 2016
reosarevok
If the importer always stores it the same way, maybe it can even be moved with a bot again later
2016-05-01 12212, 2016
madmouser1
zas: I am inserting geo data into the logstash logs i use and then display it on maps in Kibana
2016-05-01 12226, 2016
zas
for now, it just about centralizing, such usage will come later
2016-05-01 12257, 2016
madmouser1
reosarevok: yes i can do that and it will allways look the same.
2016-05-01 12223, 2016
zas
search servers have a bad sunday ;)
2016-05-01 12224, 2016
madmouser1
logstash itself is great for that as well (like remote syslog)
2016-05-01 12255, 2016
madmouser1
can output everying to text file or into a central syslog if you want to
2016-05-01 12201, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: "And the "comment"/disambiguation isn't the right place :)" - the annotation would be the "most right" place right now.
2016-05-01 12210, 2016
reosarevok
I said that! :p
2016-05-01 12208, 2016
Freso doesn't see that, but okay then
2016-05-01 12206, 2016
reosarevok
" <reosarevok> Yeah, that'd be the annotation"
2016-05-01 12220, 2016
madmouser1
zas: can even push logs into redis :-)
2016-05-01 12222, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: Followed by "[that] isn't the right place"
2016-05-01 12231, 2016
Freso
Which I claimed that it is, for now.
2016-05-01 12215, 2016
reosarevok
Followed by the fact the field sometimes labeled "comment", i.e. the disambiguation, isn't the right place, because they mentioned a "comments field" :p
2016-05-01 12230, 2016
reosarevok
I don't remember if the WS still says comment or not
2016-05-01 12251, 2016
reosarevok shrugs
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Leftmost
reosarevok, you love me, even though I'm terrible. <3
Freso, the part that's making me grumpy is the part in the lobes theme.less that imports the API's CSS, which is getting pulled in during our build process and timing out much of the time.
2016-05-01 12211, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: By you liking https://community.metabrainz.org/t/auto-editor-el… , I assume you'd be willing to be the one sending out the 3+ e-mail notifications for each autoeditor election until the tickets get fixed?
2016-05-01 12241, 2016
reosarevok
If I had DB access, I'd be happy to :p
2016-05-01 12238, 2016
reosarevok
(or a list of the emails, anyway)
2016-05-01 12204, 2016
reosarevok
I don't think there's any need for 3+ notifications either
2016-05-01 12237, 2016
reosarevok
If someone can't find enough seconders for an election to start before the mailings via IRC or whatever, the election is probably not that likely to work anyway...
2016-05-01 12248, 2016
reosarevok
So just one notification "hey this election is on" should be enough IMO
2016-05-01 12214, 2016
Freso
You can probably ask bitmap or Gentlecat or zas to make the dump for you. Remember to use BCC's so we don't share editors' e-mails.
2016-05-01 12237, 2016
Freso
3 notifications: Election opened, seconders needed; seconders found, open for voting; voting closed, results.
2016-05-01 12217, 2016
Freso
The "open for voting" one should be sent out ASAP after it happening, to ensure voters get the full time to vote and discuss the election.
2016-05-01 12256, 2016
Freso is very much not a fan of this approach
2016-05-01 12214, 2016
reosarevok
I'm not a fan, but also not a fan of delaying it until someone maybe has time to fix it
2016-05-01 12246, 2016
reosarevok
And we're inconveniencing editors who would easily get elected for their every edit, which seems worse to me than me having to send a few emails
2016-05-01 12225, 2016
reosarevok
Of course I'd much rather just scrape autoeditorship and auto-apply edits, but in the meantime...
2016-05-01 12203, 2016
Freso
Perhaps we could get https://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/OTHER-254 done and then ask proposers to open a topic there when they start an election, then you could send out an e-mail pointing to that thread.
2016-05-01 12227, 2016
reosarevok
That sounds useful. What does it involve?
2016-05-01 12240, 2016
Freso
If any AEs log in to Discourse and don't have access, they can ping me (or zas (or bitmap?)) and we can manually add them to the group until we get it automated.
2016-05-01 12243, 2016
reosarevok
(do we have this "check-on-login for autoeditor status" thing set up already?)
2016-05-01 12253, 2016
Freso
No.
2016-05-01 12203, 2016
Freso
If so, lots of people would already be in the AE group.
2016-05-01 12210, 2016
reosarevok
Oh, so you mean just a one-off manual add to the group?
2016-05-01 12217, 2016
Freso
Yes.
2016-05-01 12219, 2016
reosarevok
That's reasonable I guess
2016-05-01 12234, 2016
reosarevok
(I'm not sure how discourse groups work, so I had no idea if I even was in that one yet :p )
2016-05-01 12242, 2016
Freso
So we get all AEs that are currently on Discourse added to the AE group.
2016-05-01 12256, 2016
Freso
I haven't added anyone to the group, as I wanted to it be done in an automated fashion.
Is it supposed to happen that Deleted_Editor_XXXX still has a discourse account?
2016-05-01 12241, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: Yes, I believe so.
2016-05-01 12210, 2016
Freso
It was brought up when we implemented the Discourse SSO endpoint at least.
2016-05-01 12211, 2016
reosarevok
Ok then :)
2016-05-01 12227, 2016
Freso
All new accounts are also automatically added.
2016-05-01 12237, 2016
Freso
And whenever someone edits their e-mail address.
2016-05-01 12239, 2016
reosarevok
I'm still amazed by how many of these autoeditors I've never seen or heard of :)
2016-05-01 12200, 2016
Freso
Oh, yeah, I guess you could just used the /privileged list on mb.o.
2016-05-01 12205, 2016
Freso
*use
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reosarevok
Yeah, I'm doing that
2016-05-01 12217, 2016
Freso
Which I'm guess is what you're doing now.
2016-05-01 12220, 2016
Freso
Well, there you go. :)
2016-05-01 12223, 2016
reosarevok
I wish it just accepted a comma-separated list, but :p
2016-05-01 12226, 2016
Freso
:)
2016-05-01 12231, 2016
reosarevok
Apparently I do need to search one by one
2016-05-01 12233, 2016
Freso
Tab semicolon?
2016-05-01 12236, 2016
Freso
*Try
2016-05-01 12219, 2016
Freso
But yeah, this is also why I imagined OTHER-254 to be automated. Get a dump from MBS and run it against API or db for Discourse.
2016-05-01 12226, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: The thing is that they should all really be set to also Watch the AE category on Discourse.
2016-05-01 12219, 2016
Freso
Oh, wait, reosarevok, stop.
2016-05-01 12221, 2016
Freso
Stahp!
2016-05-01 12227, 2016
reosarevok stahps
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Freso
I have a "bulk add to group" function as an admin.
2016-05-01 12242, 2016
reosarevok
Oooooh
2016-05-01 12244, 2016
Freso gets the list of usernames
2016-05-01 12208, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: All the usernames recognised by Discourse was added.
2016-05-01 12219, 2016
reosarevok
Yay, thanks :)
2016-05-01 12225, 2016
Freso
(59 in all, of 240 total AEs.)
2016-05-01 12242, 2016
reosarevok
That sounds about as much as I'd expect, with all the inactive users in there
2016-05-01 12235, 2016
Freso
I don't see a way to bulk add it to people's Watch list though. :(
2016-05-01 12255, 2016
reosarevok
Is there an automated way for when we change it to automatic?
2016-05-01 12213, 2016
reosarevok
Or is it a problem either way?
2016-05-01 12221, 2016
Freso
Don't know.
2016-05-01 12252, 2016
Freso
I guess we can keep OTHER-254 open for now and do an automated run once the other things are in place.
2016-05-01 12224, 2016
Freso
(In case any AE logs in without requesting access to the group between now and then.)
2016-05-01 12240, 2016
Freso
Maybe this is blog post worthy?
2016-05-01 12237, 2016
Freso
(We should redo the "add to group" once we have an e-mail address dump anyway, btw. Leftmost didn't get added for one, as Discourse didn't recognise "Leftmost Cat".)
2016-05-01 12245, 2016
Freso
*bulk add
2016-05-01 12249, 2016
reosarevok
Ok :)
2016-05-01 12217, 2016
Freso
So.
2016-05-01 12225, 2016
reosarevok
Heh, I guess ListMyCDs *has* been contacting everyone :p
2016-05-01 12227, 2016
reosarevok
20+ votes
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Freso
(I still think the election should be cancelled and redone.)
2016-05-01 12212, 2016
Freso
New temp. AE election system:
2016-05-01 12247, 2016
Freso
1) Proposer creates elections and adds post in AE category.
2016-05-01 12225, 2016
Freso
2) You mail out to all AEs with a link to the election topic (and a link to the blog post, if we make one, to explain the current situation?).
2016-05-01 12216, 2016
reosarevok
(I was going to agree, but after seeing the number of votes it already has, I think it's honestly pointless to cancel. It will probably end up with as many votes as a lot of recent elections as it is)
2016-05-01 12220, 2016
Freso
3) Proposer/you/me/AEs update the thread when status of the election changes (2nders found, passed, rejected).
2016-05-01 12223, 2016
reosarevok
I think the system is fine, yeah :)
2016-05-01 12258, 2016
Freso
Let's bring it up in tomorrow's meeting too, just to clear with others too.
2016-05-01 12207, 2016
reosarevok
Sure :)
2016-05-01 12208, 2016
Freso
I'll post in the topic about this as well.
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting [at 19 UTC] agenda: Reviews, SSO (Sean), New Search Servers? (zas), AE elections (Freso/reo)
2016-05-01 12245, 2016
Freso
reosarevok: I guess the primary thing I see about the current election is that for all anyone knows, he's only contacted AEs likely to be in favour of the election.
2016-05-01 12225, 2016
reosarevok
I mean, the first time he was rejected I was the main person against it :p
2016-05-01 12206, 2016
reosarevok
But yeah, I can see that as a worry... except that if we're getting basically half of our active autoeditors as voters, I think it's likely to be irrelevant even if not everyone was contacted
2016-05-01 12212, 2016
Freso
I just see so many legitimate arguments that could be made against loujine getting accepted (or rejected) via this election that I'd feel better if it was done in a standardised way (like it used to).
2016-05-01 12248, 2016
reosarevok just dislikes wasting time to bureaucracy when it's fairly obvious it won't change the final result :p
2016-05-01 12256, 2016
Freso
Sure.
2016-05-01 12202, 2016
reosarevok
(especially now that it seems everyone's been contacted)
2016-05-01 12209, 2016
Freso hasn't :)
2016-05-01 12210, 2016
reosarevok
I do see your point though
2016-05-01 12228, 2016
reosarevok
Well neither have I, but he knows we're aware, I wasn't expecting a mail :p
2016-05-01 12257, 2016
Freso
As an anarchist, I find that the structures around elections to be very important. :)
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Freso
reosarevok: Are you still around-ish?
2016-05-01 12212, 2016
Freso
ruaok: ^ too.
2016-05-01 12223, 2016
Leftmost
Freso, you did it on purpose. I know you did. :-P
2016-05-01 12232, 2016
ruaok
que?
2016-05-01 12202, 2016
Freso
ruaok: Just checking. :) I'm writing up an e-mail to send out to our 6 students and would like your eyes on it before I send it out.
2016-05-01 12255, 2016
ruaok
you're going to make me work on May 1? capitalist!
2016-05-01 12204, 2016
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2016-05-01 12232, 2016
CallerNo6
Freso (or anybody interested): assuming write-ups like my genre disourse post are useful, what else would be a good fit for that format? Sort of "State of the <something>" posts.
2016-05-01 12248, 2016
CallerNo6 doesn't need an immediate answer. Nothing in his world happens immediately anyway.
2016-05-01 12248, 2016
zas
Search servers do not work on May, 1st.
2016-05-01 12216, 2016
Freso
ruaok: Can I rename Development Chat → #MetaBrainz Meeting? >_> (The wikipage.)
