it tends to be cases where the "standard" link phrase inverts the normal entity order, so am also looking at detecting that and just getting the reverse phrase (which then hopefully does not have entity placeholders)
2016-07-07 18910, 2016
Zastai
currently, in a place's Performances list, I get "release was recorded at place". that's not great. and just "was recorded at" is confusing (because the current place is assumed on the left-hand side). getting "is/was the recording location for" would be best
2016-07-07 18947, 2016
Zastai
but failing that, "release was recorded at place" will do, as long as "release" and "place" get localized properly
2016-07-07 18909, 2016
fqtw_ has quit
2016-07-07 18955, 2016
Zastai
(there's a few such cases for artist appearances too, like "recording contains samples by artist" and "release is a tribute to artist")
2016-07-07 18912, 2016
Zastai
ah. looks like there's no such thing as l_long_reverse_link_phrase. short, reverse or long only. too bad.
i had assumed that the scsi READ DISC STRUCTURE commands (which are defined for both dvd and bluray) would return the title/chapter info, but it looks like those are too low-level for that
2016-07-07 18932, 2016
Zastai
it might give me a usable lookup id, but not in a way that might eventually be slightly TOC-like
2016-07-07 18919, 2016
kepstin
yeah, the disk structure of a blu-ray or dvd is that it's basically just one data track of some size
2016-07-07 18935, 2016
kepstin
all of the actual structure is in files within the filesystem on the data track
2016-07-07 18918, 2016
Zastai
had hoped for an easy standard api to get the content structure (titles/chapters); no such luck it seems
2016-07-07 18956, 2016
Zastai
and since i have been fiddling with the low-level scsi commands for the isrc/cdtext/... reading it felt like a natural extension
2016-07-07 18922, 2016
kepstin
nope. For a DVD you need to decrypt it (DeCSS) then read and parse some files; for blu-ray you can get away with just reading and parsing some files
2016-07-07 18950, 2016
kepstin
my current idea for disk ids is to just take a hash of the files that define the disk structure, rather than bothering to interpret them in any way
2016-07-07 18929, 2016
kepstin
because the structure of media on the disk isn't often really useful, since it doesn't necessarily match the structure presented to the user (e.g. via the menu system)
2016-07-07 18955, 2016
Zastai
well the idea would be that extracting that would at least have lengths of "tracks" (typically chapters), which would aid in having something TOC-like
2016-07-07 18917, 2016
Zastai
the way disc tocs fix the track lengths on CDs for example
2016-07-07 18910, 2016
Zastai
as an aside, I don't suppose mb has some osx shell server/build server available? I'd like my C# libdiscid to support OSX too, but have been unsuccessful in getting a VM set up for that on Windows
2016-07-07 18932, 2016
kepstin
sure, but there's no way to associate a chapter on a dvd with a particular track in a musicbrainz release
2016-07-07 18939, 2016
Zastai
not yet :)
2016-07-07 18943, 2016
kepstin
(which might also cover multiple chapters)
2016-07-07 18906, 2016
kepstin
and of course, dvds have the ability for the same underlying video to be used in multiple titles, or split up in chapters differently
2016-07-07 18913, 2016
kepstin
it's really weird, actually :)
2016-07-07 18956, 2016
Zastai
well, it will be rare for a MB track not to map to either 1 chapter or 1 title. and yes, the various alternate paths are weird, but less likely to appear on music-y releases
2016-07-07 18924, 2016
Zastai
if they're used, it tends to be to integrate commentary/deleted scenes/...
2016-07-07 18942, 2016
kepstin
given that i've seen releases where the same content is in one title covering the entire length with chapters, then also with the same content with one title per chapter, that seems like a thing something would have done on e.g. a concert release
2016-07-07 18907, 2016
kepstin
chapters and titles are an internal implementation detail used for implementing the *actual* structure via a turing-complete VM system that runs the menus
2016-07-07 18914, 2016
kepstin
so, yeah...
2016-07-07 18933, 2016
Zastai
people who make these standards are weird
2016-07-07 18923, 2016
Zastai
and people say MB is too developer-y and not casual-user-friendly.
2016-07-07 18951, 2016
kepstin
the really fun thing is that neither the dvd or blu-ray specs are publically available - they're expensive and require an nda
2016-07-07 18900, 2016
Zastai
i know
2016-07-07 18902, 2016
kepstin
everything people know about them in public is reverse-engineered :/
2016-07-07 18906, 2016
reosarevok
... wat
2016-07-07 18910, 2016
reosarevok
That's kinda ridiculous
2016-07-07 18925, 2016
fqtw__ is now known as fqtw
2016-07-07 18933, 2016
Zastai
even tracking down the scsi specs with all the structure and command info isn't very easy
redbook was doable, but getting the bluebook standard was harder. and just forget about the japanese standard document describing "Music-JIS" (an encoding used by CD-TEXT data, although I haven't encountered an actual disc with it yet)
2016-07-07 18946, 2016
kepstin
due to the way the menu system is implemented, a lot of disks have "titles" which are just a couple seconds of black video, used only as a hook to put some menu code into :/
2016-07-07 18922, 2016
Zastai
i know. for some discs it's a pain to find things because nothing looks like the list of items on the back
2016-07-07 18942, 2016
kepstin
of course, blu-ray media streams don't really correspond directly to "tracks" directly either, since they can be combined using the playlists functionality, or seamless branching, or just with the programmable menu system :/
2016-07-07 18951, 2016
Zastai
anyway, bed time
2016-07-07 18927, 2016
Oswaldo joined the channel
2016-07-07 18942, 2016
Oswaldo
Hi all...
2016-07-07 18954, 2016
reosarevok
¡Hola!
2016-07-07 18903, 2016
Oswaldo
Hola
2016-07-07 18923, 2016
Oswaldo
Cómo sabes que escribo en español?
2016-07-07 18939, 2016
reosarevok
Asumí que eras el mismo Oswaldo que escribió a support
2016-07-07 18946, 2016
Oswaldo
'reosarevok' has voted against your edit #39626958.
2016-07-07 18948, 2016
Oswaldo
SI
2016-07-07 18953, 2016
Oswaldo
;-)
2016-07-07 18912, 2016
Oswaldo
Cometí un error (soy nuevo en MataBrainz)
2016-07-07 18936, 2016
reosarevok
No pasa nada, todos cometemos errores, incluso yo que llevo aquí años :)
2016-07-07 18941, 2016
Oswaldo
He tratado de cambiar el error pero no consigo cómo...
2016-07-07 18949, 2016
Oswaldo
OK
2016-07-07 18904, 2016
reosarevok
Como te dije por el correo, la cosa es que los cambios en MusicBrainz a veces llevan más tiempo
2016-07-07 18912, 2016
reosarevok
Añadir cosas nuevas es habitualmente instantáneo
2016-07-07 18927, 2016
reosarevok
Pero eliminarlas no, porque queremos asegurarnos de que alguien lo ve
2016-07-07 18939, 2016
reosarevok
(por si algún troll viene e intenta eliminar cosas correctas)
2016-07-07 18951, 2016
Oswaldo
Claro
2016-07-07 18903, 2016
reosarevok
Entonces, los enlaces entre tu obra y esa grabación están en proceso de eliminación
2016-07-07 18922, 2016
reosarevok
Pero hay que esperar a que las edits pasen el tiempo necesario :)
2016-07-07 18930, 2016
Oswaldo
He estado viendo cómo arreglar la cosa en las relationships pero no encuentro la clave! de cómo ...
2016-07-07 18933, 2016
reosarevok
En máximo una semana estarán eliminadas
2016-07-07 18934, 2016
Zastai has quit
2016-07-07 18954, 2016
Oswaldo
Lo mejor es entonces esperar?
2016-07-07 18959, 2016
reosarevok
Ok, pues la cosa va así: tú clicas Edit (no sé si usas la web en español o inglés, pero viene a ser lo mismo)
2016-07-07 18908, 2016
Oswaldo
Inglés
2016-07-07 18910, 2016
reosarevok
Esta vez sí, pero te lo explico por si hace falta en un futuro
Y puedes ver las Relationships. Si hay alguna incorrecta, le das a la X, escribes una nota en plan "My mistake, didn't want to add this here" o lo que sea, y enter edit
2016-07-07 18942, 2016
Oswaldo
Ah ok...
2016-07-07 18945, 2016
reosarevok
(si lo que queres es cambiarlas en vez de eliminarlas, pues le das al lápiz)
2016-07-07 18957, 2016
reosarevok
Esa es la idea así en general :)
2016-07-07 18957, 2016
Oswaldo
ok...
2016-07-07 18904, 2016
reosarevok
Y eso las pone en la cola de votación
2016-07-07 18913, 2016
Oswaldo
wow gracias...!
2016-07-07 18920, 2016
reosarevok
Ahí la gente puede echar un ojo durante una semana y si nadie vota que no, el cambio se acepta
2016-07-07 18948, 2016
Oswaldo
Yo temía haberhecho algo así cómo pedir borrar a Silvania, que orror, sorry...
2016-07-07 18955, 2016
reosarevok
(algunos cambios pequeños son automáticos: por ejemplo, si cambias mayúsculas por minúsculas)
2016-07-07 18957, 2016
Oswaldo
Horror
2016-07-07 18906, 2016
Oswaldo
ok
2016-07-07 18908, 2016
reosarevok
Haha, no pasa nada :) Ante la duda, puedes siempre preguntar
2016-07-07 18925, 2016
reosarevok
(quizá mejor en #musicbrainz que aquí en el futuro pero en general somos la misma gente en ambos sitios)
2016-07-07 18932, 2016
Oswaldo
Es cierto Reosarevok
2016-07-07 18900, 2016
Oswaldo
Ok que bueno,
2016-07-07 18940, 2016
Oswaldo
Bueno estimado (a) Reosarevok voy a tratar de hacer lo que me has explicado...
2016-07-07 18952, 2016
reosarevok
Esta vez no hace falta :)
2016-07-07 18959, 2016
Oswaldo
Gracias por todo y por vuestro tiempo...
2016-07-07 18901, 2016
reosarevok
He hecho yo lo mismo ya, así que no hay diferencia
2016-07-07 18913, 2016
Oswaldo
Ok, gracias
2016-07-07 18915, 2016
reosarevok
Pero por si hay una próxima vez, ahora sabes cómo va :)
2016-07-07 18928, 2016
reosarevok
Yo voy a ver si duermo, ya hablamos para lo que sea
2016-07-07 18929, 2016
Oswaldo
Yo en cambio anulé el edit cómo lo pediste por e-mail
