Ok. So Picard uses my musicbrainz login. Shouldn't it be possible for musicbrainz to serve the data from my own edits to my instance of Picard even though they haven't officially been applied yet?
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eharris
I'm having problems where I lose track of what I've done, because my entries in Picard don't show the edits I've already made.
2016-09-08 25247, 2016
eharris
so I end up with duplicate edits
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CallerNo6
hmm. that sounds like something that may have been requested already.
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Leftmost
Unfortunately, the edit system isn't well-suited to that, though it would be possible.
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eharris
For that matter, it might be nice if the same thing could be done through a "include pending edits" mode on the website as well, maybe with markup (colors?) to show the stuff that is being shown but isn't applied yet.
2016-09-08 25215, 2016
CallerNo6
I don't see a relevant ticket. I'm sure other people would be interested in that capability, so by all means, create a ticket if you're up for it.
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CallerNo6
For a ticket to get attention from the devs, you probably need to 'champion' it in the forums too.
2016-09-08 25243, 2016
CallerNo6
There are more good ideas than there are active devs, I'm afraid.
2016-09-08 25233, 2016
eharris
Well, this is just effectively doubling my workload, and I can't afford it. Since I'm making corrections as I go through my library, and Picard isn't reflecting what I've changed, and usually won't for a week.
2016-09-08 25209, 2016
bitmap
pretty sure there was a ticket for that on our old trac site, even
2016-09-08 25236, 2016
bitmap
it's very difficult to implement with our current edit system though
2016-09-08 25250, 2016
eharris
I'd really rather update musicbrainz and have Picard save the changes immediately to my library. If it's a question between updating it both in Picard for my own library AND in the website, I'm probably just going to have to stop updating the website.
"We're not going to fix this as it is. We're planning to move towards more things being auto-edits instead."
2016-09-08 25218, 2016
eharris
Is Picard's interface to it XML (I'd guess)
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eharris
?
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bitmap
yes
2016-09-08 25217, 2016
bitmap
it's not the interface that makes it difficult to implement, though
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eharris
Hmm, in that case, is there some way I can get vetted for some level of "higher" access where my edits mostly get auto-applied?
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CallerNo6
aha. bitmap's search fu is powerful. (I assumed it would be a picard ticket)
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eharris
It seems to me that having something more like how Wikipedia does it, where edits are immediately applied but can be easily revoked would solve this issue.
2016-09-08 25217, 2016
bitmap
yeah, that's kind of been our plan for a while
2016-09-08 25239, 2016
eharris
The comment on that ticket that is no-fix is from 2014. I'm guessing I can't count on this being resolved either through my the proposed method reflecting the pending edits or going to auto-edits anytime soon then...
2016-09-08 25212, 2016
CallerNo6
bitmap, do you mean that NES might still happen in some form?
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eharris
Is there a "trusted editor" level of access what I might be able to apply for to have less wait time on my edits?
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bitmap
I think we'll be doing it incrementally with the current codebase
2016-09-08 25254, 2016
bitmap
NES is dead for good
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Leftmost
I'm still hoping to make BrainzStem a thing, but it's a long way away.
2016-09-08 25232, 2016
bitmap
eharris: what kind of edits are you waiting on, mostly?
2016-09-08 25235, 2016
CallerNo6
eharris, there is. http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Editor#Auto-editors . But there's not really an application process. It's more like, you get nominated if somebody notices that you're doing especially good work or something.
2016-09-08 25205, 2016
bitmap
even AutoEditors can't apply merges and (some) removals automatically
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eharris
Things like release group and release renames and merges, and adding of things like barcodes, recording label, catalog number, etc.
2016-09-08 25217, 2016
eharris
the main things I need are renames and merges. The catalog and other info I don't care about that much in my own library as long as the server has them, but I want the names and groupings right in my library.
2016-09-08 25207, 2016
CallerNo6
are there really that many releases that need to be renamed?
2016-09-08 25214, 2016
eharris
No, there aren't a lot. But my library is big and I can't really afford to wait a week, or keep track of what I need to come back to and refresh. It's a lot of extra work, and impeding my workflow.
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CallerNo6
ah. alas, as bitmap said, becoming an auto-editor wouldn't speed up your merges.
2016-09-08 25247, 2016
eharris
One of the biggest problems is that Picard doesn't give a good way to enter multi-disc sets, so I've been having to create each disk as its own release group (since the plugin supports that) and then come back and merge them.
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eharris
but then I have to wait a week for the edit to take before I can "fix" my own library
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bitmap
hmm. I guess one thing you can do is copy the tracklist from the track-parser after picard opens the page, edit the previous release, and paste it there
2016-09-08 25242, 2016
bitmap
and I think the plugin will submit multiple discs if the tags contain "discnumber" values
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eharris
well, thanks for the info and tracking down that ticket. I hope the auto-edit stuff comes soon.
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eharris
whenever I tried to use the plugin on more than one cluster, it refused to work
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eharris
and since the names of the disks are different, they end up in different clusters
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bitmap
right, I guess they'd have to be in the same cluster and you'd need to do a bit of manual editing
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bitmap
but would take less time than merging afterward at least
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eharris
I don't know. Merging is pretty easy than updating a bunch of individual tracks and numbers. It's just the waiting for the merge to take effect that is the killer
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eharris
s/than/compared to/
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bitmap
merges are the hardest edit type to implement reverting for, so might be a while before we have that
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bitmap
I think using the track-parser is still a decent option though. wouldn't have to edit track or disc numbers, just copy and paste
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eharris
Ok, thanks. I'll see if I can figure out how to make that work.
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bitmap
on the Tracklist tab, there's a "Track Parser" button under the medium where you can copy a textual representation of the tracklist
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bitmap
so in the release that was already added, you can click "Add Medium" at the bottom of the page and paste it in there
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eharris
How do I get that out of Picard?
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bitmap
this is all on the website
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eharris
I have my collection already mostly tagged. I want to pull the tags on my files in easily, without having to re-enter all the info.
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eharris
I sometimes do a few edits to follow the style guidelines, but I don't re-enter everything
