ruaok: I was able to get beta3 of the vbox image working for me after beta1 and beta2 were failing
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CallerNo6
Leo_Verto, "over-ewngineereed" or "over-built"? I was taught that the two were mutually exclusive :-P
2016-12-16 35142, 2016
CallerNo6
(it would help if I could type)
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: reviews, EU & cookies (ruaok), logo usage (ruaok), edit history w/o log in (reo), DR: CB-49, CB-169, CB-110 (Gentlecat)
I'd like for edits to be able to e seen while logged out ()if f-ex im on a diff computer .. eg library) then its unhelpfull to not see edits history
2016-12-16 35110, 2016
CatQuest
hoewer..
2016-12-16 35110, 2016
CatQuest
[14:53] <reosarevok> Even not displaying edit notes but displaying the actual edit history would be an improvement, so if people feel the notes should require a log-in, maybe we can still show the edits with "log in to read the notes"
2016-12-16 35110, 2016
CatQuest
I wouldn't mind that, as a compromise :)
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: reviews, EU & cookies (ruaok), logo usage (ruaok), edit history w/o log in (reo), DR: CB-49,65,110,169 (Gentlecat)
2016-12-16 35125, 2016
CallerNo6
If people are concerned about edit privacy, is there a way to more source citations somewhere else more public?
2016-12-16 35106, 2016
CallerNo6
A new field parallel to edit notes?
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kuno
CallerNo6: I don't know if anyone still is concerned about that.
2016-12-16 35120, 2016
kuno
CallerNo6: my only concern is that existing edit notes were made with the expectation that they were (somewhat) private, retroactively making those public is not cool.
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CallerNo6
kuno, that's what I mean. The citations in those edit notes shouldn't be private.
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CallerNo6
(unless, like in your example, they're dodgy)
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CallerNo6
(and even then, I'd rather anonymize the edit note but keep the citation)
2016-12-16 35107, 2016
kuno
but why a new field? just make a blog post that all new edits will be public starting $date, a cut-off date or edit id between private and public seems way easier to implement.
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CallerNo6
I guess. If I could go back in time, I'd suggest a "citation" field :-)
2016-12-16 35132, 2016
kuno
hm, anonymizing old edit notes but making all of them public is also an interesting idea. I'm not sure I approve, but it interesting none-the-less :)
2016-12-16 35158, 2016
kuno
if we could go back in time we'd just make them public from the start :D
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Freso|laptop
Theoretically, anyone could download the edit db dump and make all edit notes public.
2016-12-16 35130, 2016
CallerNo6
see? that's why nobody ever gives me the keys to the time machine.
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Freso|laptop
And all it ever required to see edit notes on MB was making an account—which also anyone theoretically could do (incl. law enforcement or whatever bogey(wo)men you subscribe to).
2016-12-16 35123, 2016
CallerNo6
Which is why I've been assuming that if people are concerned, they're mostly concerned about the google-ability?
2016-12-16 35125, 2016
Freso|laptop
I like the edit of making edit histories public but still requiring login to see edit notes.
2016-12-16 35132, 2016
Freso|laptop
*like the idea
2016-12-16 35130, 2016
Freso|laptop
But any believe people have had that their edit notes were shielded from the public somehow were never true.
2016-12-16 35111, 2016
kuno
Freso|laptop: as I mentioned previously, I think the important aspect for users who would care about this is that google doesn't index them (because google neither logs in nor searches the dump :)
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Freso|laptop
Yeah, and I definitely agree that we should still prevent google-indexing the edit notes.
2016-12-16 35125, 2016
CallerNo6
Freso|laptop, do you mean " making edit histories public but still requiring login to see edit notes." going forward, or only in the past?
2016-12-16 35142, 2016
Freso|laptop
But whether we do that be robot.txt-excluding them or by requiring a login to read edit notes (or maybe even just a login to see editor names related to edit notes?), I don't know.
2016-12-16 35102, 2016
Freso|laptop
CallerNo6, I don't like the idea of an arbitrary time cut-off where things will behave differently. :)
2016-12-16 35126, 2016
Freso|laptop
So it would be going backwards and going forwards.
2016-12-16 35149, 2016
CallerNo6
It seems weird to hide citations behind a "log in" wall, but I do understand your point.
"the @internetarchive no longer reads robots.txt for page archive exclusion."
2016-12-16 35137, 2016
kuno
hooray!
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Freso|laptop
CallerNo6, "It seems weird to hide citations behind a "log in" wall," - hence my suggestion of only hiding attached usernames. :)
2016-12-16 35141, 2016
Freso|laptop
So citations, discussions, etc. are still public, and usernames are only public to the degree that they are mentioned directly in the edit notes.
2016-12-16 35106, 2016
Freso|laptop
Is there a ticket for this btw, or are we just discussing "aimlessly"?
2016-12-16 35146, 2016
Freso|laptop
Any GCI students in here currently? If so, can you tell me what you think of the current selection of tasks? Any tasks you wish there were more of? (Less of?) Any tasks you feel are too obscure/non-clear for you to understand what it's asking? Are you getting good/useful/positive feedback from mentors?
2016-12-16 35113, 2016
Freso|laptop
(If you feel uneasy about answering any of this in public, I'll make an exception and allow you to PM me. :))
