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Quesito
I think i can get the hang of them.
2017-01-10 01018, 2017
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Quesito
definitely
2017-01-10 01023, 2017
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ruaok
worst case, when someone looks at the bug and is confused they may ask you follow up questions.
2017-01-10 01038, 2017
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ruaok
but, writing better tickets will lead them to be fixed/implemented faster.
2017-01-10 01042, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01043, 2017
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Quesito
right
2017-01-10 01055, 2017
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Quesito
me/wants to write good tickets
2017-01-10 01015, 2017
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Quesito
ok--next question --mbslave
2017-01-10 01022, 2017
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ruaok
mbslave is a piece of software written by luks that replicates the database
2017-01-10 01034, 2017
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ruaok
it is easier to install than the full musicbrainz-server software.
2017-01-10 01056, 2017
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ruaok
so, if you want a copy of MusicBrainz on your own server and want to make direct queries to it, this is a valid way of going.
2017-01-10 01019, 2017
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ruaok
if, however, you want a complete copy of MB with the API, you need to install the official musicbrainz-server software.
2017-01-10 01043, 2017
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ruaok
installing that is a major pain in the ass, due to the number of dependencies that need to be installed for it to funtion.
2017-01-10 01001, 2017
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ruaok
however, with the VM this becomes much easier. download and run the VM and bam!
2017-01-10 01022, 2017
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ruaok
sorry, bad form.
2017-01-10 01023, 2017
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ruaok
BAM!
2017-01-10 01026, 2017
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ruaok
:p
2017-01-10 01037, 2017
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Quesito
:)
2017-01-10 01005, 2017
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ruaok
any other questions?
2017-01-10 01024, 2017
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Quesito
so best option on our side of things is a supporter running VM?
2017-01-10 01042, 2017
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Quesito
or official MB software
2017-01-10 01007, 2017
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ruaok
steer people towards the VM, which is easiest.
2017-01-10 01016, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01018, 2017
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ruaok
not everyone can deal with that.. case in point. ticketmaster.
2017-01-10 01029, 2017
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ruaok
they need to run it on a different virtual machine software.
2017-01-10 01029, 2017
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Quesito
hmmm
2017-01-10 01033, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01038, 2017
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ruaok
but, that is less of your issue to deal with.
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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ruaok
tell potential supporters that we have a VM and that there are other options for installing our software.
2017-01-10 01004, 2017
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Quesito
just want to make sure I have plenty of knowledge!
2017-01-10 01011, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01032, 2017
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ruaok
2017-01-10 01038, 2017
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Quesito
right ok
2017-01-10 01052, 2017
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ruaok
the section on IRC gives them a quickstart on how to appear here so, that people in this channel can help.
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01011, 2017
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ruaok
don't feel bad about passing supporters off when things get technical.
2017-01-10 01016, 2017
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ruaok
that is what we're here for.
2017-01-10 01051, 2017
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Quesito
ok, trying to organize these bits into a welcome email doc!
2017-01-10 01023, 2017
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ruaok
please do all of that in google docs.
2017-01-10 01034, 2017
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ruaok
using your @meb account you can log into google drive.
2017-01-10 01040, 2017
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Quesito
I am, would you like me to share them?
2017-01-10 01050, 2017
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ruaok
make a new folder that contains your work.
2017-01-10 01000, 2017
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Quesito
Also using keep for goals, notes, etc.
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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ruaok
I think as long as they are in the drive we can find them.
2017-01-10 01006, 2017
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ruaok
great.
2017-01-10 01008, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01012, 2017
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Quesito
will do!
2017-01-10 01015, 2017
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ruaok
we use google docs quite a bit.
2017-01-10 01025, 2017
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Quesito
me too!
2017-01-10 01028, 2017
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ruaok
if you want someone to look at something you're doing, you can share the doc with them.
2017-01-10 01037, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01040, 2017
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samj1912 joined the channel
2017-01-10 01001, 2017
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ruaok
for public comments, which is a primary form of getting feedback, make the document so that people can view and comment on the doc.
2017-01-10 01008, 2017
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ruaok
then share the link here with [off]
2017-01-10 01020, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01024, 2017
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Quesito
sounds good
2017-01-10 01024, 2017
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ruaok
and tell people what you're looking for as far as feedback.
2017-01-10 01045, 2017
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Quesito
ok!
2017-01-10 01021, 2017
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samj1912
zas bitmap Mineo updated all 8 PRs as per reviews :)
2017-01-10 01059, 2017
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samj1912
let me know if further changes are required otherwise they are ready to merge
2017-01-10 01027, 2017
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ruaok
ok, let look at the email..
2017-01-10 01046, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01028, 2017
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ruaok
"strictly explorative"
2017-01-10 01039, 2017
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ruaok
which is a good sign -- they know what they don't know.
2017-01-10 01055, 2017
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ruaok
my typical response would be "ok, nice to meet you. let me know when you decide anything.:
2017-01-10 01059, 2017
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ruaok writes said email
2017-01-10 01006, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01048, 2017
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ruaok
sent
2017-01-10 01028, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01045, 2017
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Quesito
the exploratory supporter
2017-01-10 01018, 2017
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ruaok
yep.
2017-01-10 01042, 2017
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ruaok
we could make all of this a bit clearer on the site, but I believe that having some ambiguity is good since it can start a conversation.
2017-01-10 01020, 2017
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ruaok
and when people realize we're humans and not some droids, then it makes us a better option that our competition.
2017-01-10 01024, 2017
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Quesito
trying to note some sort of roadmap....
2017-01-10 01034, 2017
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Quesito
yeah
2017-01-10 01059, 2017
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ruaok
ok, next.
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01056, 2017
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Quesito
1-mobile
2017-01-10 01018, 2017
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Quesito
2-NP
2017-01-10 01032, 2017
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Quesito
and 3-data writing...
2017-01-10 01035, 2017
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Quesito
hmm
2017-01-10 01016, 2017
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ruaok
yep, you're on the right track.
2017-01-10 01020, 2017
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Quesito
do we get a lot of requests for people writing their own metadata?
2017-01-10 01046, 2017
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Quesito
counterproductive?
2017-01-10 01005, 2017
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ruaok
let me see if I can fill in the blanks not covered in the email.
2017-01-10 01014, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01018, 2017
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ruaok
they are writing an app that allows user to download tracks.
2017-01-10 01033, 2017
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ruaok
which could be problematic, legally speaking.
2017-01-10 01043, 2017
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Quesito
yup
2017-01-10 01048, 2017
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ruaok
we are very careful to not have our name attached to anyone doing illegal downloads and such.
2017-01-10 01055, 2017
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Quesito
right
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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ruaok
but given that our data is open, we cannot police who uses our data and does what with it.
2017-01-10 01021, 2017
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Quesito
right
2017-01-10 01023, 2017
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ruaok
but, a questionable company this like this, I would not add their logo to our site.
2017-01-10 01030, 2017
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Quesito
right
2017-01-10 01036, 2017
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ruaok
once they release something we can take a closer look at it.
2017-01-10 01044, 2017
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Quesito
ok
2017-01-10 01059, 2017
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Quesito
so a tentative response is needed
2017-01-10 01004, 2017
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ruaok
also, you don't need to acknowledge (ok, right, etc) everything I say. :)
2017-01-10 01024, 2017
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ruaok
I'll assume that you're reading along and if you have questions, I'll assume that you're going to ask them.
2017-01-10 01034, 2017
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ruaok
if there is a specific point that I want to make sure you got, I'll ask.
2017-01-10 01046, 2017
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Quesito
Sounds good! ;)
2017-01-10 01051, 2017
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ruaok
(this reduces the noise and makes it easier for people to read the logs to catch up)
2017-01-10 01053, 2017
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ruaok
:)
2017-01-10 01004, 2017
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ruaok
back to the customer at hand.
2017-01-10 01037, 2017
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ruaok
one other aspect is the use of our data. do you want to use the API or a hosted copy?
2017-01-10 01059, 2017
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ruaok
if hosted copy and they are not charging for their apps, how do they make money?
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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ruaok
do they?
2017-01-10 01059, 2017
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ruaok writes a response
2017-01-10 01012, 2017
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Quesito
doubtful in this case.
2017-01-10 01011, 2017
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ruaok
yeah, seems that way.
2017-01-10 01021, 2017
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ruaok
very likely I will just approve them and go on with life.
2017-01-10 01023, 2017
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ruaok
ok, onward.
2017-01-10 01035, 2017
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ruaok
a local uni
2017-01-10 01013, 2017
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ruaok
uni's are a special case for the most part.
2017-01-10 01024, 2017
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Quesito
exploratory / non profit?
2017-01-10 01028, 2017
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ruaok
public universities always get approved, it is the right thing to do.
2017-01-10 01033, 2017
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ruaok
non-profit.
2017-01-10 01054, 2017
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ruaok
for profit universities don't get that treatment. they make money, they need to share.
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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ruaok
even then, there are two cases.
2017-01-10 01018, 2017
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ruaok
first, a student team working on a project. this is easy, green light it and forget it.
2017-01-10 01036, 2017
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ruaok
second, an official university project that has a greater scope than just a classroom project.
2017-01-10 01049, 2017
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ruaok
for instance AcousticBrainz fits this bill.
2017-01-10 01014, 2017
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ruaok
so, for this case, there are two steps. first, figure out if they are for profit or non-profit.
2017-01-10 01033, 2017
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ruaok
I'll punt this tiny task to you. figure out if they are non profit or not. go!
2017-01-10 01039, 2017
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Quesito
private
2017-01-10 01021, 2017
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ruaok
ok, how would you respond to this fellow then?
2017-01-10 01016, 2017
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Quesito
for profit, next step respond inqurying what scope this is for--student project or larger univ project.
2017-01-10 01038, 2017
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ruaok
yep.
2017-01-10 01054, 2017
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ruaok
if a student project just approve them. otherwise a larger discussion needs to be had.
2017-01-10 01002, 2017
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ruaok
would you like to try and respond?
2017-01-10 01018, 2017
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Quesito
sure. also how do i approve someone?
2017-01-10 01052, 2017
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ruaok
for the first few emails, send it to me first. then I can review and give thumbs up or down.
2017-01-10 01014, 2017
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ruaok
for approving someone, go to the admin interface.
2017-01-10 01020, 2017
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ruaok
find the supporter, click on their name
2017-01-10 01008, 2017
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Gentlecat notes that there's also a search function, which can be useful (https://metabrainz.org/admin/usersview/)
2017-01-10 01016, 2017
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ruaok
erh. hang on.
2017-01-10 01039, 2017
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ruaok
Gentlecat: did the "approve" buttons go away?
2017-01-10 01052, 2017
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ruaok
or did they move someplace else?
2017-01-10 01058, 2017
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Gentlecat
I don't think so
2017-01-10 01004, 2017
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Gentlecat
what page are you looking at?
2017-01-10 01043, 2017
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Gentlecat
oh, my bad
2017-01-10 01001, 2017
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Gentlecat
looks like I forgot to move them when I was updating the page
2017-01-10 01009, 2017
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ruaok
lol.
2017-01-10 01011, 2017
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Gentlecat
will fix that
2017-01-10 01015, 2017
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ruaok
you want a bug report?
2017-01-10 01021, 2017
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Gentlecat
nah
2017-01-10 01035, 2017
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ruaok
if we manually set the state to approved, will it still send email to the user?
2017-01-10 01049, 2017
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Gentlecat
you can "Edit" and there's a "State" field
2017-01-10 01000, 2017
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Gentlecat
let me check that
