#metabrainz

iliekcomputers: ah, ok. sorry. :)

pingupingu: what university are you with? It'd be great to have it in our free non-profit section!

ruaok: for devices on battery, you normally expect to batch scrobbles to reduce power usage

so you have "sort of liveish multi-scrobbles"

well I'm not sure why a client couldn't batch scrobbles, and it seems odd to call that an "import"

which i guess for the moment you use archive for :/

er, import

ah, interesting use case. interestingly enough this was all espoused by the former last.fm founders. :)

can you open a ticket and then I'll follow up with alastair about this? he was there too

and if you're using import to handle live or near-live stuff anyways, why not just do single-track import instead of having a separate api for single track

(last.fm doesn't support historical imports via api, they reject anything dated more than about... 2 weeks? back)

which bugged me when I used my ipod with the rockbox scrobble log, since sometimes I went longer than that without uploading the scrobbles

oh btw ruaok: I made my bot an autoeditor for the spotify URL changes, I can switch it back later if preferred though :)

ya know, the style BDFL has gotta have some benefits, no? :)

heh, yeah, I was reading that reddit post about how it's harder to scrobble now and I was like "these people never had to deal with offline ipod scrobbles, did they"

unlike any of my phone apps, the rockbox scrobble log included recording mbids :/

(I still love how there's some artists - e.g. MOSAIC.WAV - where you couldn't scrobble them at all on last.fm - unless you had an mbid in the scrobble, which overrode some of the other checks)

time to signoff guys

talk when I wake up :)

!m kepstin

You're doing good work, kepstin!

pingupingu: Hold on!

Darn it. :(

Freso: I'll include your link in my email to him!

Quesito: 👍

Quesito: FWIW, it was meant as a response to "20:57:25 P<pingupingu> wanting to cross reference metadata across various 3rd party metadata providers"

Where resolving the MBID can be a very good starting point, for the reasons I outlined in that topic.

right on--I was curious about this as well

i included your notes as well Freso (for context...) :)

:)

Freso: doesn't help if the stuff isn't in MB, which is what they were saying happened

reosarevok: What they specifically said was happening was that their matching didn't find stuff in MB.

Ah well.

Freso: <ruaok> pingupingu: have you verified that the data that should be matched isn't in MB? <pingupingu> yep

Yeah

Still, they can match what they can.

Sure, but if what they can't match is enough that they need an alternative method anyway, why pay for the one that's not good enough

Having MBIDs for that data that does exist in MB does mean better interoperability with a lot of other stuff.

hmm, i'm kind of surprised that the listenbrainz payload doesn't include a defined duration field

(like, track duration, not listen duration)

could be useful as a hint for when a "playing_now" submission should expire, for example

can't make it requirement kepstin.

Heh.

mp3 files on their own do not contain durations. you have to calculate it.

yeah, it would be additional_data like all the other fields

kepstin: Re: the verb for LB listens: https://chatlogs.metabrainz.org/brainzbot/metab...

but most players will have it handy

kepstin: might be good to add another ticket.

Not all players get it right though. :|

we could add support and then "strongly encourage support"

er, additional_info

alright, added LB-119 (and commented on LB-106 for good measure)

LB-119: Add track duration as optional field to listens https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/LB-119

LB-106: New API based scraping does not capture all the data available https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/LB-106

thanks kepstin

Is there anything special I need to know about making an account for wiki.musicbrainz.org/?

Quesito: it's a completely separate account from all the other musicbrainz stuff, no shared credentials. There'll be a popup box after you submit credentials - make sure you read and follow the instructions in it.

if you use the chrome webbrowser it will nicely hide the important part of the message ;)

samj1912: https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/PICARD-991 - I'll try and remember to come back and flesh out the description a bit later, when I'm not on plane wifi and about to run out of juice on the laptop. :)

PICARD-991: Allow submitting AcoustIDs for matched Recordings

SothoTalKer: oh, wow. we might want to reword the message then

(it's already been reworded a few times in an attempt to make it more obvious to people)

kepstin: The message is not shown at all.

thank you kepstin....still not working...will swtich browsers perhaps...I'm not on chrome...

it completely hides what to put in.

Quesito: are you getting a popup username/password field after filling in the create account page?

yup

Eh. https://community.metabrainz.org/search?q=wiki%...

and i'm typing in what it says

Quesito: enter "NOSPAM" in both fields (no quotes) and it should work...

are you sure? it says 'NOTSPAM'”

er, yes, "NOTSPAM" :)

Quesito kepstin: https://community.metabrainz.org/t/how-to-log-i...

:|

Quesito: did you register? :-)

did anyone else notice that the wiki spam popup no longer gives the NOTSPAM/NOTSPAM clue anymore?

Yes, see last post on that forum thread :p

SothoTalKer: kepstin Freso I'm now registered...glad I'm not the only one...

Freso: can confirm Chromium has the same issue btw

reosarevok: Well, it's Chrome based.

it's the other way

I've also personally confirmed with Chromium, since it's one of "secondary" browsers installed. :p

Sure, but you said "and possibly, by extension, Chromium" so I thought I'd confirm

Ok :)

chrome is chromium-based :D

speaking of, OTHER-180 should not have been closed.

OTHER-180: Problem in Wikipedia of MusicBrainz https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/OTHER-180

so, how can we collectively go about fixing the utter lameless of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaBrainz_Founda... ?

Oh, wait, not the same problem (based on the screenshot)

ruaok: by being less lame and hoping someone not connected to us improves it? :p

CallerNo6: from the screenshot, that should have been closed, yeah. But we should open a new ticket for the new chrome :)

what are their rules on not connected?

Exactly, was looking for an open one.

ruaok: wow. we need to do some work.

Quesito: contractors of the foundation are not allowed to.

ruaok: find a wikipedia editor not involved with metabrainz and let they edit it

them

right.

the tricky bit is of course finding sources for info that aren't either taken directly from metabrainz sites, and aren't original research (e.g. contributer directly interviewing metabrainz people)

kepstin: the article claims to contain info directly from us anyway :p

direct information from a website is not a big deal.

third party sources are always better, trhough

-r

legoktm: who isn't allowed to edit our page? Our paid workers, obvs, but anyone else?

(er, in Wikipedia that is)

is mr. doctorow still a key people?

yes

kalman filters hurt my brain. anywhere here ever used them before?

SothoTalKer: https://metabrainz.org/about

the about page looks like a good start

SothoTalKer: we won't tell you what to write. You decide. Otherwise, we'd be cheating again :p

cheating is good

wohoo, my last edit on WP was over 3 years ago :3

this should def. be in the wiki article: https://boingboing.net/2013/12/04/charity-sends...

ruaok: metabrainz got no coverage in the media. which is BAD. not much notability ;)

blogs don't count.

the english WP is rather lax on that issue

who is the admin of our wiki?

the german WP. full of "notability nazis" =X

there isn't really all that much to say about metabrainz tbh, i'm actually kind of surprised it's not just included as a subtopic on the musicbrainz page

SothoTalKer: the cake got a lot of press...

SothoTalKer: enwiki removes a lot of stuff for not being notable too. Although frwiki is my favourite, they consider MB links spam

Quesito: google news did not show many results :)

reosarevok: maybe MB should consider FR:WP links spam ;)