samj1912: we cannot put rarely changing dependencies in the repo? :)
2017-03-04 06334, 2017
CallerNo6
samj1912, people actually read that thing?
2017-03-04 06334, 2017
samj1912
SothoTalKer: didn't get you?
2017-03-04 06352, 2017
samj1912
CallerNo6: people should :P
2017-03-04 06325, 2017
SothoTalKer
i dont want to put a random dll into my system folder ;)
2017-03-04 06308, 2017
samj1912
Leo_Verto: does brainzbot have the memory/dictionary module on?
2017-03-04 06312, 2017
SothoTalKer
samj1912: libdiscid.dll rarely ever changes :)
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SothoTalKer
i will look into things a bit more closely later
2017-03-04 06324, 2017
samj1912
SothoTalKer: dont know much about the windows build env, that doc was written by shabad and I think he took luks advice while making it
2017-03-04 06334, 2017
samj1912
you are free to suggest changes as a PR :)
2017-03-04 06314, 2017
SothoTalKer
pyqt5 is now installed via pip too
2017-03-04 06324, 2017
samj1912
yeah
2017-03-04 06349, 2017
samj1912
pyqt4 isnt, hence all those steps
2017-03-04 06358, 2017
alastairp
CallerNo6: I'm trying to come up with a way to describe *why* we want people to join in and start working on issues
2017-03-04 06309, 2017
CallerNo6
alastairp, do you mean "a nice way to say 'Me
2017-03-04 06310, 2017
alastairp
SoC is a long programe for us and student, we want to make sure that there's a good fit; we're happy to teach things during this period and during SoC, but we want to see how potential students think about/reason/work on a problem
2017-03-04 06312, 2017
CallerNo6
oops
2017-03-04 06324, 2017
SothoTalKer
samj1912: and py2exe doesnt work with py3, i guess :)
2017-03-04 06339, 2017
alastairp
"a nice way to say 'don't ask us what to do next'"
2017-03-04 06349, 2017
samj1912
hence cxfreeze ;)
2017-03-04 06353, 2017
alastairp
but with rationale why this is good for both the student and us
2017-03-04 06301, 2017
CallerNo6
for MeB: it's a small org with limited resources. We can't walk every prospective student through the process of application"
2017-03-04 06322, 2017
SothoTalKer
samj1912: cxfreeze only freezes for the platform it is ran from, right? ;) so a working dev env on windows is mandatory :D
2017-03-04 06320, 2017
samj1912
SothoTalKer: yes, luks helps us with packaging for win/osx
2017-03-04 06325, 2017
alastairp
right, definitely at this point in the SoC process we can't be directly interacting at a detailed level with every potential student
2017-03-04 06352, 2017
CallerNo6
for the Student: this is a chance to demonstrate that you are a self-starter who can find answers to your own questions
2017-03-04 06306, 2017
alastairp
(this is not the same as saying if someone comes in with a PR, or questions about a specific part of a task that we're going to ignore them)
2017-03-04 06336, 2017
CallerNo6
right. agreed.
2017-03-04 06343, 2017
CallerNo6
hmm, maybe examples of good/bad questions.
2017-03-04 06359, 2017
samj1912
that will help
2017-03-04 06345, 2017
CallerNo6
I can generate bad questions. Finally, a chance to put my skills to use.
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alastairp
:-P
2017-03-04 06351, 2017
samj1912
lol P
2017-03-04 06325, 2017
alastairp
I'm trying to work out how to reduce the number of "I'd like to work on this ticket, can you tell me what I should do to start?" style questions
2017-03-04 06349, 2017
samj1912
we should include a link to jira good first bug filter
which I think is why I've had so much interest in the last week or so
2017-03-04 06303, 2017
padam
well , i thought that we have to introduce ourselves before starting out :)
2017-03-04 06303, 2017
CallerNo6
The next paragraph suggests looking for specific labels. I could link directly, but it's kind of a litmus test.
2017-03-04 06342, 2017
samj1912
alastairp: the ML tags are also a good bait :P
2017-03-04 06352, 2017
alastairp
samj1912: wow, tell me about it
2017-03-04 06307, 2017
alastairp
padam: sure, coming in here and saying hi is a good start
2017-03-04 06320, 2017
CallerNo6
padam, right, I'm glad you did. "hello" will not go on my list of "bad questions".
2017-03-04 06330, 2017
samj1912
:P people in my college are extremely fascinated by anything involving ML
2017-03-04 06359, 2017
alastairp
but as you can also see, we really value and encourage people to take the initiative in finding something that they're interested in and think that they can help on
CallerNo6: oh man. you deserve lots of chocolate if you can get that into it
2017-03-04 06309, 2017
CallerNo6
sigh. I'll probably settle for "get more information" or something dull like that.
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SothoTalKer
get ready for this?
2017-03-04 06310, 2017
CallerNo6
POST questions
2017-03-04 06301, 2017
CallerNo6
Anyway, yeah, I think the real goal is not to say "come ask questions in IRC" and then make people feel dumb when they ask questions in IRC. Especially if the question is "hello".
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samj1912
lol :P
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alastairp
lots of recordings in the database which start with "Get"
2017-03-04 06350, 2017
alastairp
we should make each heading link to a recording :)
2017-03-04 06341, 2017
SothoTalKer
just describe how you would want the people to start
well, how would you want the people to start when they want to do a gsoc for any of the MeB project? :)
2017-03-04 06311, 2017
samj1912
alastairp: me and Freso were discussing AB/essentia to be used by peragro for https://github.com/peragro/peragro/wiki/GSoC-Idea…, could you provide some insight to us and the other devs over at #peragro when you are free :)
2017-03-04 06332, 2017
SothoTalKer
it's not 'come to irc and ask how to start' ;)
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alastairp
SothoTalKer: right, but we already have lots of that
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alastairp
we don't want to be too specific either
2017-03-04 06324, 2017
alastairp
if we specify exactly what steps to take, then that makes it easy on the students
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alastairp
for us we need something like "here are all the resources that we have, make a start and then come to us when you're stuck"
2017-03-04 06323, 2017
alastairp
rather than having people come and ask "how do I start"
2017-03-04 06336, 2017
alastairp
but we don't really want to describe how to start - it's a bit of a test too
2017-03-04 06336, 2017
SothoTalKer
i was thinking in this direction, too
2017-03-04 06327, 2017
alastairp
we probably have close to 50 people coming through during this time of SoC each year... we also need a way to filter out the good ones
2017-03-04 06336, 2017
SothoTalKer
after all, the mentors choose the students, right?
2017-03-04 06349, 2017
alastairp
yes, we choose who we want to work with
2017-03-04 06320, 2017
CallerNo6
So, what would be some examples of "good" questions?
2017-03-04 06351, 2017
SothoTalKer
"how do i start?" :D
2017-03-04 06334, 2017
alastairp
"I'm looking at ticket X, but I can't reproduce it. The ticket says that the Frob page has no Frob button, but when I go to the page I see it. The button is also there when I log in (I see that the frob page has some slightly different behaviour for logged in users)"
2017-03-04 06301, 2017
CallerNo6
Hey, you're good at this.
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alastairp
"Ticket Y says that we need to add a "sort" field to all tables, but doesn't say what the tables are. I've found tables on page a, b, c and d. Are there any other ones that need to be sortable?"
2017-03-04 06307, 2017
CallerNo6
Installation/deployment help, I suppose.
2017-03-04 06303, 2017
SothoTalKer
no metaquestions
2017-03-04 06332, 2017
alastairp
I have a handful of tickets that I wrote that say "We need to do X, we could do it by doing thing a, or thing b."
2017-03-04 06341, 2017
alastairp
so another question/comment could be "On ticket Z, there are two possible solutions for solving the problem. I think that thing a is the better option because ______. Should I go ahead with this solution?"
