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      • LeRoberte
        the thing is that my users do many things in the site itself, besides the map
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      • ruaok
        our too.
      • 2017-04-04 09442, 2017

      • ruaok
        ours too.
      • 2017-04-04 09403, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        but, i can give you some database or something so you can grow?
      • 2017-04-04 09421, 2017

      • ruaok
        how many places do you have?
      • 2017-04-04 09438, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        812
      • 2017-04-04 09449, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        that have live music
      • 2017-04-04 09410, 2017

      • ruaok
        in argentina?
      • 2017-04-04 09413, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        and theres a map where you can just clik and see them
      • 2017-04-04 09415, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        yeah, look
      • 2017-04-04 09429, 2017

      • LeRoberte
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      • LeRoberte
        also in uruguay some people joined
      • 2017-04-04 09445, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        some in colombia
      • 2017-04-04 09453, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        but mainly in argentina
      • 2017-04-04 09414, 2017

      • ruaok
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      • LeRoberte
        youll have to move the map, because it will appear on your location
      • 2017-04-04 09443, 2017

      • ruaok
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      • LeRoberte
        preety cool
      • 2017-04-04 09401, 2017

      • ruaok
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      • LeRoberte
        more focused on studios
      • 2017-04-04 09413, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        the thing is that here the problem are places to play live, more than studios, thats why that map got so big
      • 2017-04-04 09428, 2017

      • ruaok
        understood.
      • 2017-04-04 09452, 2017

      • ruaok
        if we decide to join forces, then we'd need to find some volunteers to import data from your site into MB.
      • 2017-04-04 09428, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        why not automaticly?
      • 2017-04-04 09423, 2017

      • ruaok
        because your community will likely have different standards from ours and importing automatically is going to make our data more messy.
      • 2017-04-04 09453, 2017

      • ruaok
        then our community needs to clean up rather than adding more data. the psychology behind that is quite different.
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      • LeRoberte
        yes i understand
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      • LeRoberte
        its funny that were kind of doing the same thing
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      • ruaok
        happens all the time. except we have many years head start on most other people.
      • 2017-04-04 09415, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        yeah, i see that
      • 2017-04-04 09428, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        and another user logic, also
      • 2017-04-04 09404, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Im finding it hard to use the site, is there some documentation i can read?
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      • ruaok
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      • LeRoberte
        silly me, its there on top, never mind
      • 2017-04-04 09439, 2017

      • ruaok
        :)
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      • ruaok
        we're working to improve the site usability.
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      • LeRoberte
        Well, here that is a main issue
      • 2017-04-04 09442, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        I mean, in Latinamerica people dont really use sites that much if they dont fully get them
      • 2017-04-04 09403, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        That's a problem for me sometimes
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      • ruaok
        spain is very similar that way.
      • 2017-04-04 09400, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Really?
      • 2017-04-04 09410, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        It must be the language (?)
      • 2017-04-04 09413, 2017

      • ruaok
        yes, but I am not sure.
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      • LeRoberte
        But maybe I could prepare for you some already edited data for you to use
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      • LeRoberte
        I mean, like just giving you the lat long and name of the venues, or something like that, and you can fill the rest by your standars
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      • LeRoberte
        Would that help?
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      • ruaok
        yes, I think it would.
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      • ruaok
        reosarevok: ping
      • 2017-04-04 09422, 2017

      • reosarevok
        ruaok: pong
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      • ruaok
        you following this conversation?
      • 2017-04-04 09442, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Not really, I'm in class
      • 2017-04-04 09446, 2017

      • reosarevok reads backlog
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      • LeRoberte
        Cool, because that's my biggest achievement here
      • 2017-04-04 09459, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        And Im not finding so many venues in your data base
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      • reosarevok
        Some places are old because we also store historical places - for example, if something was recorded in a studio or venue that is now closed, we still want to be able to store that
      • 2017-04-04 09451, 2017

      • reosarevok
        And I'm sure a lot of them are missing, because I don't think we have many Argentinean editors in the first place and places are a bit obscure even then :)
      • 2017-04-04 09412, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Yeah, here there is a big mess
      • 2017-04-04 09435, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        I mean, there are a lot of places, but its hard to find the info
      • 2017-04-04 09412, 2017

      • ruaok
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      • reosarevok
        The most complete info the better, if you're going to send data: Name, address, including city and postcode and all that if you have it, coordinates, what type of place it is (is it a venue? a studio? a football stadium? a church?), official website of the place if you have it... all that helps :)
      • 2017-04-04 09417, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Besides, theres a political thing against venues
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      • ruaok
        london is better, but still not good.
      • 2017-04-04 09437, 2017

      • ruaok
        we need to find a way to motivate people to enter venues
      • 2017-04-04 09454, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Well, events, really
      • 2017-04-04 09458, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Venues will come with those :)
      • 2017-04-04 09407, 2017

      • ruaok nods
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      • LeRoberte
        Well, the thing is that venues here are a big deal for musicians
      • 2017-04-04 09421, 2017

      • ruaok
        AEG Presents and Ticketmaster have said they are ok giving us data.
      • 2017-04-04 09429, 2017

      • ruaok
        I need to follow up with that soon.
      • 2017-04-04 09431, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Because nobody sells discs
      • 2017-04-04 09433, 2017

      • reosarevok
        (https://musicbrainz.org/area/c38d8161-bec9-4f25-9… for an example of a small city with most venue sin)
      • 2017-04-04 09437, 2017

      • reosarevok
        *venues in even
      • 2017-04-04 09401, 2017

      • ruaok
        lol
      • 2017-04-04 09404, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        oh, beautifull
      • 2017-04-04 09428, 2017

      • ruaok
        in case you wonder where reosarevok lives, LeRoberte....
      • 2017-04-04 09431, 2017

      • reosarevok
        :D
      • 2017-04-04 09446, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Im working on having them more filled
      • 2017-04-04 09450, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        In estonia?
      • 2017-04-04 09457, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        I LOVE ESTONIA
      • 2017-04-04 09402, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        <3
      • 2017-04-04 09423, 2017

      • reosarevok
        ruaok: any idea how their data is? Event data *might* be easier to auto-import in that at least "Artist at Place on Date" is relatively easy to add (and if we have a bunch of events for the same artist, it can auto-set the artist rel)
      • 2017-04-04 09445, 2017

      • ruaok
        no clue. until I see it, I won't trust it.
      • 2017-04-04 09452, 2017

      • ruaok
        we'll need... geordi.
      • 2017-04-04 09454, 2017

      • ruaok cries
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      • reosarevok
        The venue rels wouldn't be anywhere as straightforward, but I'd rather have a lot of event data with venue names on the title where the venue rels can be added later than no data at all
      • 2017-04-04 09433, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Yes, i can send you the database by mail, no problem
      • 2017-04-04 09435, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Venues are just a litle part of the site, though, but someone told me to do one thing at a time and i followed, heheh
      • 2017-04-04 09459, 2017

      • ruaok
        I think we might get along well, LeRoberte. :)
      • 2017-04-04 09418, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        :D
      • 2017-04-04 09459, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        Maybe I can provide this data for you of the venues, but the events data its a litle more complex
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      • Freso
        ruaok: I've seen other people ask this too, so... couldn't MessyBrainz sort of act as a "Geordi"?
      • 2017-04-04 09426, 2017

      • ruaok
        not quite.
      • 2017-04-04 09438, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        a what?
      • 2017-04-04 09440, 2017

      • ruaok
        holding bin vs paper tail.
      • 2017-04-04 09425, 2017

      • ruaok
        LeRoberte: a holding bin for incoming data for MB. one where people can search for data and import is selectively.
      • 2017-04-04 09407, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        not getting the idea
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      • samj1912 is interested in geordi and messybrainz
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      • ruaok
        reosarevok: if any of the proposals that paul J is putting on the table pan out, I'm going to lock myself away for a week and write Phoenix, a new geordi. and build it the way *I* want it. :)
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      • reosarevok is a bit afraid :p
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      • ruaok has to get moving. back online when I get to the office.
      • 2017-04-04 09441, 2017

      • ruaok
        reosarevok: be!
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      • samj1912
        I think I brought geordi up once, but I have no idea who is incharge of dev for either :p
      • 2017-04-04 09414, 2017

      • ruaok
        geordi is dead. long live geordi.
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      • samj1912
        lol :P
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      • LeRoberte
        ruaok: can you give me your mail so i can send you the database of venues?
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      • LeRoberte
        ?
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      • LeRoberte
        or is there a way i can post it here
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      • Major_Lurker
        CatQuest, asked me to ask you guys to check on https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/CAA-97 << he thinks he may have put it in the wrong place :)
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      • BrainzBot
        CAA-97: Add ability to mark Coverart Uploads as "not optimal"
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      • outsidecontext
        @ruaok: vielen dank :)
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      • samj1912
        outsidecontext: o/
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      • samj1912
        outsidecontext someone told me you take care of packaging debs for picard?
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      • samj1912
        LeRoberte: you might want to continue the conversation here :)
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      • LeRoberte
        hello hello
      • 2017-04-04 09402, 2017

      • LeRoberte
        sorry, im not used to mirc chat
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      • ruaok
        outsidecontext: kein thema, viel spaß!
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      • ruaok
        LeRoberte: in the office now.
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      • samj1912
        Freso, ruaok: LeRoberte was asking about support tier 8
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      • samj1912
        I directed him back here :)
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      • ruaok has no clue what 8 is.
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      • ruaok
        oh, non profit. :)
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      • LeRoberte
        I dont fuuullly understand how this thing operates, but if you can explain me like a baby i can help
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      • ruaok
        LeRoberte: so, sending me a file of venues isn't really going to let me act on that right now.
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      • ruaok
        I have a lot of things that i need to focus on before I can work on stuff like this.
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      • samj1912
        He also wanted to use our data
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      • ruaok
        samj1912: yep, LeRoberte and I have been chatting for a while now. :)
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      • samj1912
        Oh :)
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      • LeRoberte
        Ah, okey, wont send the file then
      • 2017-04-04 09450, 2017

      • samj1912
        He pm'ed me about it so I just thought it was best to redirect him here :p
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      • LeRoberte
        But is there something usefull in my site for you?
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      • ruaok
        good plan, samj1912
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      • ruaok
        LeRoberte: here is what I would suggest you do:
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      • ruaok
        1. Do some thinking and see if you want to use MB for your site.
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      • ruaok
        2. If so, then come back to us and discuss.
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      • ruaok
        3. We could start a community effort to import the 800 venues you have into MB.
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      • ruaok
        4. Then you use our data for your site
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      • ruaok
        5. Send users to add more venues to us.
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      • github
        [picard-plugins] zas closed pull request #90: Added "Load as non-album track" plugin (master...loadasnat) https://git.io/vSCto
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      • ruaok
        6. We send the data back to you
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