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      • colbydray
        CallerNo6: its okay
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      • CallerNo6
        colbydray, awesome, thanks
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      • CallerNo6
        oh, and congratulations. you're now a documentarian.
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      • CallerNo6
        (well, I mean, if you weren't already)
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      • Freso
        Gentlecat: Well, the replacing shouldn't, no. But transfering the (encrypted) data from the old disk to the new one and resizing the various layers until all of them are actually using the full disk.
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      • Freso
        But even that wasn't actually too difficult. It more or less Just Worked™. :)
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      • colbydray
        where i got the "info" is from the userscript pages. example:"Import album data from Amazon to add a new release on MusicBrainz." from https://github.com/Goram/MusicBrainz-Import-from-…
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      • CallerNo6
        colbydray, yeah, it looks like it was a lot of work to track them all down. That's what it takes to keep a page like that up-to-date. well, that and people willing to "adopt" the page and keep an eye on it.
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      • Leo_Verto
        I've seeded over 400GB of the MB VM so far \o/
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      • agentsim
        I think I've found a bug in the ws2 API, but before reporting it I just want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong
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      • agentsim
        when using ws/2/recording, the following inc string works just fine "aliases+releases+artist-credits+artist-rels+work-rels+tags+release-groups"
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      • agentsim
        lol, n/m, in pasting that URL I see my problem :)
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      • agentsim
        nope, got the wrong URL, so here's my question, using ws/2/release with inc "artists+artist-credits+release-groups+artist-rels+aliases+tags" works just fine
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      • agentsim
        but using ws/2/release with the same inc string, but specifying recording=xyz tells me "artists is not a valid parameter for the release resource"
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      • agentsim
        is that a bug, or am I misunderstanding something
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      • CallerNo6
        agentsim, can you paste the working and non-working requests? I'd like to see the full URLs.
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      • Freso
        Is https://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Server/Se… up to date? Is the 2016-12-20 the latest/current VM release?
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      • Freso
        Leo_Verto[m]: ^ is that the one you're seeding?
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      • github
        [picard-website] zas closed pull request #73: PW-47: Improve plugins listing page. (master...patch-2) https://git.io/vSF1b
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      • Sophist-UK
        GM all.
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      • Sophist-UK
        agentsim: Do you think that the second URL should work. If you use https://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/release/2f39c479-c37… with artists and tags includes removed it works.
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      • zas
        Sophist-UK: gh:PW#73 deployed
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      • BrainzBot
        PW-47: Improve plugins listing page.: https://github.com/metabrainz/picard-website/pull…
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      • Sophist-UK
        Well - it gives you some XML. Not sure it is what you wanted.
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      • Sophist-UK
        zas: Looks like my text change wasn't right. I will submit a fix.
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      • zas
        k
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      • Sophist-UK
        Quotes missing.
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      • zas
        Sophist-UK: ensure you tested locally your PR, often deploying small changes is a pain atm (need to build images, etc... docker drawback)
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      • github
        [picard-website] Sophist-UK opened pull request #74: PW-47: Improve plugins listing page - fix for #73 (master...patch-3) https://git.io/vSbrw
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      • Sophist-UK
        zas: Are there instructions for creating a Picard-Website test envioronment on Windows anywhere?
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      • Sophist-UK
        agentsim: What is the purpose of adding the recording MBID to the second call?
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      • zas
        I don't think so, no one wrote win-specific instructions yet
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      • zas
        if you create a test env in win, report instructions in https://github.com/metabrainz/picard-website/blob…
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      • Sophist-UK
        When I get the time I will give it a go.
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      • Sophist-UK
        And if I get it working I will certainly document it for others.
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      • alastairp
        ah, forgot about the meeting yesterday. Long holiday
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      • alastairp
        CallerNo6: if you're around when agensim comes back... Those are two different queries - one is lookup, the other is browse
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      • alastairp
        the second is actually invalid because you can't do a browse-by-recording when also specifying a release. Perhaps the server should return a more specific error there instead of giving an error about the includes
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      • alastairp
        there are includes for lookups: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Development/XML_Web_S… (which includes `artists`)
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      • Quesito
        ruaok: shall we wait till we have euro paypal set up to handle the euro crew of supporters?
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      • ruaok
        perhaps.
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      • ruaok
        it is tricky, for sure.
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      • ruaok
        we have to put forth a lot of documentation to get the limits on our account lifted.
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      • ruaok
        and our incorporation status is bound to make paypal go http://www.evilenglish.net/wp-content/uploads/201…
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      • ruaok
        so, I have no idea how long this process will take or if we have a hope of ever completing it. because spain.
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      • ruaok
        the limits are good enough for collect money for a few bronzes. if we get completely shutdown by paypal, then we stop accepting payments there, look for an alternative and then take a few years to drain the account.
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      • ruaok
        but, we need to wait for Gentlecat to finish the EUR support on the site.
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      • ruaok
        so, the answer to your quesiton, in a typical roundabout way is: yes. let's wait.
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      • Quesito
        :)
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      • Quesito
        sounds good. Lets ruffle the feathers cohesively....
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      • ruaok
        I've never heard that expression before, but I think I like it. :)
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      • Gentlecat
        Quesito: we are discussing some UI options on MEB-87 if you want to comment
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      • BrainzBot
        MEB-87: Add support for taking payments/donations in EUR via our PayPal ES account https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MEB-87
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      • ruaok comments
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      • ruaok
        Gentlecat: the main thing to know is that some people may type this in by hand because some muppet printed the damn invoiced we mailed them.
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      • Gentlecat
        but what would stop them from going to /payment and selecting USD instead of EUR, for example?
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      • Gentlecat
        you mean that they are typing "/payment" part and ignore "?currency=EUR", right?
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      • ruaok
        or just get it wrong.
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      • ruaok
        I'd like to remove any and all possibilities that they might get it wrong.
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      • ruaok
        a lot of these people work for high tech companies, but are confuzzled by things like the web.
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      • ruaok
        and nothing stops them from selecting the wrong currency, which is why we want to only give them one option.
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      • ruaok
        or if they land on the payment page, make it very clear that they need to choose the correct one.
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      • ruaok
        also, did we implement a feature that mails us when a payment comes in?
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      • Gentlecat
        just saying that this limitation is kind of artificial unless payment currency is defined on their metabrainz account
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      • Gentlecat
        but they don't need to use an account to pay anyway, so
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      • ruaok
        it is totally artificial and the intended goal.
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      • ruaok
        and yes, we could add currency type to their account, but then we conflate account types.
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      • ruaok
        one account is being used by bizdev people to sign up.
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      • ruaok
        then the account should be used by devops/engineering/sysadming to use our services.
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      • ruaok
        and then it could also get used for accounting. eww.
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      • ruaok
        and if we require accounting to log in in order to pay, we'd never ever see another payment again.
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      • Quesito
        I agree with ruaok, Gentlecat--this is needs to be as simple and clear as possible. Just in the feedback I've received in the last two weeks--the folks in charge of paying us are not web savvy.
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      • Quesito
        I think the least amount of options given the better.....as we try to continue to simplify and streamline accounting as much as possible--we should have supporters contributing in a regular currency type--without any option for altering. Everytime there is one small error in accounting it's about a 3-5 days to clean up--and we don't have large accounting
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      • Quesito
        dept to handle these cases--which means it takes time from other projects....
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      • Quesito
        sorry...maybe I should be writing this on the ticket instead...
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      • Quesito
        Gentlecat: like the switch idea for the donation page! this could aid us too in knowledge base for donations of eur vs usd (or perhaps we have that knowledge already, I donno yet...)
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      • Quesito
        the payment currency is defined in our invoicing system--and needs to stay one currency. turns out accounting software is not super flexible....I'll be AFK for a bit but back soon if you want to discuss more, I'm open to any ideas that will continue to simplify and streamline the system....
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      • Gentlecat
        I don't know anything about the invoicing stuff
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      • Gentlecat
        this is the info we have about users https://github.com/metabrainz/metabrainz.org/blob…
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      • ruaok
        Gentlecat: yeah, we can't really move more accounting tasks into meb.org -- that would be a major undertaking. and may never fly with accounts payable departments the world over.
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      • ruaok
        bitmap: do you have any thoughts on connection pooling to rabbitmq?
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      • ruaok
        LB is going to have 300 or so workers and a good chunk of those will likely open connections to rabbitmq.
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      • bitmap
        not really, I haven't looked into it before
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      • bitmap
        I guess we might have to figure out something then
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      • ruaok
        to me that suggests one connection from the master process which can create channels on a per thread basis that is closed once the incoming request is served.
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      • bitmap
        yeah, sounds right