and it adds sandboxing, it allows you to control the versions of your dependencies (so that users don't get crashes on a single distro because that distro updated one of your dependencies which is now incompatible until you release a new version)
2017-04-18 10827, 2017
bochecha
when downloading updates, users don't download the whole new version, only a "static delta", i.e a diff between their current version and the new one
2017-04-18 10814, 2017
Leftmost
As a not-Picard-developer, I'd love to see that upstreamed.
2017-04-18 10827, 2017
bochecha
and with flathub, it gets built for i386, x86_64, ARM and Aarch64
2017-04-18 10837, 2017
CatQuest
yea that all sounds really cool nd useful to a non-linus-buthopwing to get there some time like me
2017-04-18 10843, 2017
bochecha
Leftmost: so would I :)
2017-04-18 10800, 2017
CatQuest
!m bochecha
2017-04-18 10800, 2017
BrainzBot
You're doing good work, bochecha!
2017-04-18 10808, 2017
bochecha
^_^
2017-04-18 10834, 2017
Leftmost
Where's flathub at? Not finding it via search (but admittedly not searching very hard, because distracted).
Leftmost: it's very new, so it's probably not really well referenced yet
2017-04-18 10844, 2017
bochecha
samj1912: would such a pull request be the right place to discuss about it?
2017-04-18 10818, 2017
samj1912
I am open to the idea and I dont think zas would mind it either, if not completely replacing the page but adding flatpak instructions to it
2017-04-18 10836, 2017
bochecha
yeah, maybe adding flatpak instructions at first
2017-04-18 10854, 2017
bochecha
flatpak is still failry new after all :)
2017-04-18 10809, 2017
bochecha
eventually it would be possible to have an "Install" button on the website, and then the GNOME/KDE software centers would just know how to install it with flatpak on any Linux distribution (the GNOME one supports this but it's still a bit flaky, the KDE one doesn't have that at all)
2017-04-18 10842, 2017
samj1912
a few users can test it and see how it works, afaik we only have active builds for arch currently
2017-04-18 10855, 2017
samj1912
the rest have to build it from source
2017-04-18 10845, 2017
samj1912
phw did say he will update the launchpad repo though
2017-04-18 10858, 2017
bochecha
there's a Fedora build, but as we were saying with Leftmost it's missing the acoustid feature (because fpcalc is not In Fedora)
i *thikn* i have beets installed.. somehow.. i managed.. uhh. but i have no idea really @_@
2017-04-18 10859, 2017
Leftmost
Flatpak is explicitly Linux-only for the time being, as it depends on specific kernel features.
2017-04-18 10844, 2017
CatQuest
I think pretty much all this linux stuff is linux only, the mac ability to install like this is very.. bad? it's bee npointed out before to me too (by freso, the arch-fanboy ;) no less)
2017-04-18 10853, 2017
CatQuest
and I don't dissagree with him. megapita
2017-04-18 10825, 2017
CatQuest
(atleast I am hoping genuine linus is easier to deal with installing packages .. since it's made for it instead of some underlying fuu that mac has ?)
2017-04-18 10811, 2017
Leftmost
There are ways in which package management on Linux is fantastic, and ways in which it's horrifyingly bad. If your distro has a package for something, it's great. If you're a dev trying to package for Linux in general, it's horrifying. If you're a dev working on proprietary software that you would like to make work for the foreseeable future, it's essentially intractable. Flatpak helps with the latter two, though it's not a cure-all.
2017-04-18 10852, 2017
Sophist-UK
zas, samj912: ping
2017-04-18 10823, 2017
samj1912
pong
2017-04-18 10843, 2017
samj1912
PR reviews?
2017-04-18 10820, 2017
Sophist-UK
sam: Nope - working on a test env on Windows for Picard-Website. And wondering why virtualenv is neededon Linux and whether it is needed on Windows.
2017-04-18 10852, 2017
samj1912
virtualenv allows you to isolate your python env, makes it easier to deal with dependencies
2017-04-18 10828, 2017
CatQuest
Leftmost: hella <3 for this "flatpack" then :D
2017-04-18 10803, 2017
Sophist-UK
Yes - but the install instructions say run "source env/bin/activate" which is a bash script. Does that mean you have to install bash on Windows?
2017-04-18 10809, 2017
Sophist-UK
My lack of knowledge of translating from Linux-ese to Windows-ese is showing.
D'oh! It was me being stupid with my "dir" command.
2017-04-18 10846, 2017
Sophist-UK
I found activate.bat
2017-04-18 10816, 2017
bochecha
samj1912: but that image won't contain my changes :)
2017-04-18 10824, 2017
bochecha
samj1912: hence why I built one from the git clone
2017-04-18 10838, 2017
samj1912
just run a shell there and copy paste the changes :P, not the most elegant solution :P
2017-04-18 10844, 2017
samj1912
it should build properly though?
2017-04-18 10855, 2017
samj1912
no idea why its not working
2017-04-18 10840, 2017
bochecha
it did build fine
2017-04-18 10844, 2017
bochecha
and it seems to be running fine
2017-04-18 10854, 2017
samj1912
then?
2017-04-18 10855, 2017
bochecha
uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:3031 fd 3
2017-04-18 10805, 2017
bochecha
firefox can't connect to localhost:3031
2017-04-18 10858, 2017
samj1912
weird, let me try
2017-04-18 10834, 2017
samj1912
I use a virtualenv for changes and testing, can work on it faster
2017-04-18 10821, 2017
bochecha
I usually do as well (I'm a python developer), but I saw node, gulp... and figured I'd avoid installing all that just to edit an html file :)
2017-04-18 10814, 2017
bochecha
ok, with python run.py I get a website, but it seems to be missing the stylesheet
2017-04-18 10846, 2017
bochecha gives up and installs node
2017-04-18 10801, 2017
samj1912
lol :P
2017-04-18 10811, 2017
Sophist-UK
samj1912: I am past that now - just ran "fab plugins_generate" and it is trying to write to a directory it doesn't have access to. So probably need some code changes for windows.
2017-04-18 10819, 2017
Sophist-UK
I'll look into it.
2017-04-18 10849, 2017
samj1912
Sophist-UK: I have no idea how python handles mkdtemp
2017-04-18 10852, 2017
samj1912
with windows
2017-04-18 10813, 2017
bochecha
where should I put the .flatpakref file in the website?
2017-04-18 10832, 2017
bochecha
it's a static file that won't change (or very likely) and points flatpak to the repo where it can find the built app
samj1912: Yes - that's website/default_config.py. If we put the default value into the example config, that will prompt people to change it.
2017-04-18 10855, 2017
Sophist-UK
P.S. Another bug - it gave a message saying they had been created successfully when they hadn't because of the access error.
2017-04-18 10828, 2017
samj1912
Sophist-UK: that is not default_config?
2017-04-18 10858, 2017
samj1912
default_config is for prod./docker
2017-04-18 10808, 2017
samj1912
what I posted was my own config
2017-04-18 10808, 2017
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2017-04-18 10830, 2017
iliekcomputers
man it is hard work getting back to college after a week away, SO much stuff to catch up on
2017-04-18 10805, 2017
Sophist-UK
Ah - well if we add to website/config.py.example then that will prompt people to change it.
2017-04-18 10820, 2017
samj1912
iliekcomputers: o/
2017-04-18 10829, 2017
iliekcomputers
\o
2017-04-18 10805, 2017
samj1912
Sophist-UK: it says to do so in INSTALL.md , however the config key isnt updated
2017-04-18 10809, 2017
samj1912
hmm, I will have to update the documentation with all the branch/api things
2017-04-18 10829, 2017
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2017-04-18 10830, 2017
Sophist-UK
The config.py.example file has an entry for PLUGINS_REPOSITORY that it says you have to update, but this is not refered to nywhere except in this file and the Linux install instructions
2017-04-18 10803, 2017
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2017-04-18 10811, 2017
samj1912
Sophist-UK: yes, I changed that entry to a different one
