And fighting my project that I need to finish to graduate school
2017-04-24 11455, 2017
ruaok
java?
2017-04-24 11458, 2017
reosarevok
I looked into the events bit, but decided that I want to wait with that to hopefully have place credits
2017-04-24 11411, 2017
reosarevok
Nah. PHP. Possibly worse
2017-04-24 11447, 2017
reosarevok
Also, today I sat on the monthly meeting of Wikimedia Estonia, few interesting things going on there, nothing of direct interest to us yet, butthat might change
2017-04-24 11459, 2017
reosarevok
That's about it for now, gentlecat?
2017-04-24 11416, 2017
ruaok also did summer of code stuff.
2017-04-24 11419, 2017
ruaok
we're all set.
2017-04-24 11424, 2017
reosarevok
Yay
2017-04-24 11432, 2017
yvanzo
“that might change”?
2017-04-24 11438, 2017
Gentlecat
I finished most of the work for EUR donations support
2017-04-24 11459, 2017
Gentlecat
tried to deploy it today, but there were some issues
2017-04-24 11414, 2017
reosarevok
yvanzo: I have a couple small collaborations in mind if I can get them going, but I'll let people know if and when it happens :)
2017-04-24 11431, 2017
Gentlecat
it's hard to test because of the way the whole thing works
2017-04-24 11451, 2017
Gentlecat
I'll need to set up a separate instance to be able to test paypal
2017-04-24 11416, 2017
Gentlecat
that's about it
2017-04-24 11425, 2017
Gentlecat
yvanzo?
2017-04-24 11452, 2017
yvanzo skips today’s review, would be almost the same as previous, weather apart.
2017-04-24 11400, 2017
yvanzo
Quesito?
2017-04-24 11409, 2017
Quesito
hola!
2017-04-24 11415, 2017
iliekcomputers
hello!
2017-04-24 11436, 2017
Quesito
email follow ups for accounting upgrade organization and confirmations of payments coming in. Which lead into some supporter reach outs and discussions.
2017-04-24 11407, 2017
ruaok
reach arounds?
2017-04-24 11423, 2017
Quesito
Got some feedback from Ruaok about Verbiage changes to MeB--which I need to review with CallerNo6 and started in on ORG-14
This past weekend I entered my first pieces of data to MB. It’s pretty intricate, although with the guidance of gcilou’s soothing voice from the video tutorial and a billion tabs open--it was a piece of cake! :P
2017-04-24 11447, 2017
Sophist-UK waves hello - sorry I am a few minutes late
2017-04-24 11455, 2017
Quesito
In all seriousness, it was quite enjoyable, and also I got a bit of an addicting feeling...and I can’t wait to input more!
2017-04-24 11459, 2017
Quesito
fin
2017-04-24 11408, 2017
Quesito
samj1912: !
2017-04-24 11413, 2017
ruaok
all part of the drug dealer business model
2017-04-24 11431, 2017
Quesito
from samj1912 I spent most of the week busy with college end sem assignments. Apart from that did code reviews for picard and PW. That's about it. Now gearing up for theory exams. And will get back to coding picard stuff tomorrow. I was thinking of applying to fedora flock 2017 for a talk proposal about MB and Picard. I'll need help with that if possible
2017-04-24 11431, 2017
Quesito
and would like to know if MeB already has any plans about flock 2017?
2017-04-24 11438, 2017
ruaok
file lock on inode 2017? wut?
2017-04-24 11409, 2017
ruaok
samj1912 via Quesito: pick next
2017-04-24 11414, 2017
Quesito
lol...well think about it and discuss with samj1912
2017-04-24 11432, 2017
Quesito
iliekcomputers: go!
2017-04-24 11444, 2017
iliekcomputers
Hello!
2017-04-24 11450, 2017
ferbncode
Hi!
2017-04-24 11453, 2017
iliekcomputers
I have mostly been busy catching up with coursework and lab assignments this week, so relatively little MeB work.
2017-04-24 11405, 2017
iliekcomputers
But, I sent a PR fixing LB-152 (it still needs some work before it is ready for merge)
I arrived in England yesterday so I spent pretty much the entire week packing
2017-04-24 11405, 2017
Leo_Verto[m]
I'm not sure how much work I'll be able to get done from here
2017-04-24 11419, 2017
Leo_Verto[m]
who's left?
2017-04-24 11431, 2017
ruaok
zas, for one.
2017-04-24 11449, 2017
Leo_Verto[m]
zas: go!
2017-04-24 11425, 2017
yvanzo
anyone else?
2017-04-24 11430, 2017
ruaok
slacker. probably still worried about the election results. :)
2017-04-24 11437, 2017
reosarevok
alastairp: maybe?
2017-04-24 11450, 2017
reosarevok
Sophist-UK?
2017-04-24 11407, 2017
Sophist-UK
Not a lot!! Addressing review comments on one Picard PR and two plugins.
2017-04-24 11408, 2017
ruaok
going once...
2017-04-24 11435, 2017
Sophist-UK
And lots of discussions about work tags.
2017-04-24 11452, 2017
Sophist-UK
alistairp: Go.
2017-04-24 11415, 2017
reosarevok
Doesn't seem to be around
2017-04-24 11421, 2017
ruaok
ok, onward then.
2017-04-24 11421, 2017
reosarevok
Did gcilou have anything?
2017-04-24 11437, 2017
reosarevok lets ruaok go onwards
2017-04-24 11438, 2017
gcilou
only that I'm back and ready to rock and roll ;)
2017-04-24 11449, 2017
yvanzo
yeah!
2017-04-24 11454, 2017
ruaok
ohh, gcilou! then LB would love some UX work.
2017-04-24 11458, 2017
ruaok
the import page for starters
2017-04-24 11405, 2017
gcilou
beta?
2017-04-24 11413, 2017
ruaok
yes
2017-04-24 11426, 2017
saifulbkhan joined the channel
2017-04-24 11437, 2017
ruaok
onward to topic items. Sophist-UK, go
2017-04-24 11444, 2017
Sophist-UK
I have asked to have this discussion because I think we need to make a strategic decision on how Picard tags Works in order to stay compatible and comparable with other tools and prevent Picard falling behind.
2017-04-24 11450, 2017
Sophist-UK
The issue has been prompted by recently introduced iTunes support for Classical Music and multiple Work tags i.e. what iTunes calls Work and Movement and what I am calling Main Work and Track Work. However this is NOT about providing compatibility with iTunes because the iTunes functionality is only a partial solution at best, and its mapping to tags is so poorly conceived. Rather the iTunes
2017-04-24 11450, 2017
Sophist-UK
functionality has prompted other tools like Jaikoz/SongKong and Muse to try to implement multi-level Work tagging and really this is something that I think should be native in Picard.
2017-04-24 11412, 2017
Sophist-UK
There has been extensive discussion about this in PICARD-1043, but other related tickets are: PICARD-1049, PICARD-1050, PICARD-1068, MBS-9304. There was also prior discussion also in https://community.metabrainz.org/t/how-to-explain…. However before everyone rushes off to read these, I will try to sum up the issue as I see it:
As we all know, the MusicBrainz concept of "work" is quite generic i.e. includes a hierarchy of works and part works as well as stand-alone works.
2017-04-24 11439, 2017
Sophist-UK
Pop tracks generally have only a Track Work.
2017-04-24 11439, 2017
Sophist-UK
Classical music often has Track Works (i.e. a part of a Movement), Movements and a Main Work, though sometimes (e.g. in Operas) Movement might be split into e.g. Acts and Scenes and sometimes there is an Overarching Work (i.e. Wagner's Ring Cycle, or Vivaldi's Four Seasons).
2017-04-24 11439, 2017
Sophist-UK
Musical Theatre often has Track Works and a Main Work.
2017-04-24 11439, 2017
Sophist-UK
There are probably other uses that I am not aware of.
2017-04-24 11412, 2017
Sophist-UK
To complicate things a bit, MB Works can have unlimited levels of "work is part of work" relationships, and whilst we can navigate our way to the top level relationship, there are no semantic attributes to tell us whether it is the Main Work / Overarching Work (if indeed these are clear cut in all cases) nor what the intermediate levels might represent etc.
2017-04-24 11432, 2017
Sophist-UK
Picard has for some years used the Track Work as the entire “Work” which is both somewhat simplistic and also imprecise terminology. iTunes now supports in its UI both the Main Work and Movement but its mapping to tags is poorly thought through. Jaikoz/SongKong does something similar, and wants to extend this. Muso have submitted a work-parts plugin to provide support too. I believe
2017-04-24 11432, 2017
Sophist-UK
that Picard needs to provide better support on this, and if we agree to move forward it will likely mean some MBS development as well as Picard.
2017-04-24 11432, 2017
Sophist-UK
Any questions so far before we get into a bit of technical implications?
2017-04-24 11448, 2017
ruaok
not sure you should go much further.
2017-04-24 11455, 2017
ruaok
at lot to digest, really.
2017-04-24 11414, 2017
ruaok
I'd like to echo what alastairp was saying: toss stuff out there and give people a week to digest.
2017-04-24 11448, 2017
Sophist-UK
Ok - how do I share this?
2017-04-24 11402, 2017
ruaok
google docs, wiki page... take your pick
2017-04-24 11440, 2017
Sophist-UK
Ok - I'll put together a google doc and share it here.
2017-04-24 11459, 2017
ruaok
great!
2017-04-24 11414, 2017
ruaok
its just that we have very little time and very little collective attention span here.
2017-04-24 11417, 2017
ruaok
squirrel!
2017-04-24 11419, 2017
ruaok
:)
2017-04-24 11421, 2017
Sophist-UK
Do you want it kept high level or also go into some suggestions for implementation
2017-04-24 11423, 2017
Sophist-UK
?
2017-04-24 11442, 2017
ruaok
I'd put the tech details further down in the doc.
2017-04-24 11443, 2017
reosarevok
I'd say both is fine, if clearly separated
2017-04-24 11447, 2017
reosarevok
Yeah, that
2017-04-24 11457, 2017
Sophist-UK
Of course.
2017-04-24 11402, 2017
ruaok
this way people can start reading and when their eyes glaze over, they'll have retained something.
2017-04-24 11430, 2017
ruaok
done with this topic, Sophist-UK?
2017-04-24 11458, 2017
Sophist-UK
Yup/
2017-04-24 11403, 2017
ruaok
k, thanks.
2017-04-24 11409, 2017
ruaok
ok, last item. mineo bot.
2017-04-24 11425, 2017
ruaok
I created a VM for not before I got the full details of the requirements.
2017-04-24 11436, 2017
ruaok
it needs a whole replicated DB....
2017-04-24 11448, 2017
ruaok
so the tiny instance I have for it is not enough.
2017-04-24 11424, 2017
ruaok
the freedb gateway has a replicated DB and isn't very busy, we could put it there.
2017-04-24 11443, 2017
ruaok
Leo_Verto[m]: were you going to work on that bot or was mineo going to do the work?
2017-04-24 11402, 2017
reosarevok
He said earlier he was planning to but didn't know when he'll have the time
2017-04-24 11435, 2017
ruaok
ok, the first thing I need to know is if that instance I created can be stopped so we can stop being billed for it.
2017-04-24 11450, 2017
reosarevok
I imagine so
2017-04-24 11404, 2017
ruaok
given that not enough people are aroung, I'll make a snapshot of it and save that and kill the instance.
2017-04-24 11404, 2017
reosarevok
If it isn't doing anything specific right now, why keep it
2017-04-24 11425, 2017
SothoTalker_
hi friends
2017-04-24 11427, 2017
ruaok
well, someone could've uploaded their crown jewel porn collection as an emergency measure...
