ruaok: did you see the email from last night regarding CritiqueBrainz etc?
2017-04-25 11546, 2017
ruaok
working on email right now.
2017-04-25 11505, 2017
Quesito
awesome
2017-04-25 11547, 2017
ruaok
in short, CB is "ready to go". The only thing to be aware of is that we don't have a huge number of reviews yet. we still need to sort out how to get more people to pay attention to CB. we need to drive more people to CB from MB.
2017-04-25 11509, 2017
Quesito
ok
2017-04-25 11500, 2017
Quesito
it was pretty exciting to received such an email in the first place! What is considered a reasonable number for the start of a database? or range?
2017-04-25 11532, 2017
Quesito
(just for my own curiosity) probably depends on the type of data?
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ruaok
in the end it depends on the user wishing to use the data.
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ruaok
I liken it to "data utility is like beauty -- it is in the eye of the beholder"
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ruaok
only the user can evaluate if it can serve their needs.
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Quesito
yeah that makes sense.
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ruaok
so, to answer that question for a potential supporter, I typically ask them to pick about 5 examples.
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ruaok
ranging from mainstream to esoteric.
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ruaok
then look them up and see if the data is fit for the purpose.
2017-04-25 11551, 2017
Quesito
ok sounds reasonable.
2017-04-25 11559, 2017
ruaok
if the data isn't there, then, well the user gets to decide if that is a deal breaker or if they can drive traffic to the site to help flush out the data.
2017-04-25 11528, 2017
ruaok
so, our goal is to guide people through the process and NOT tell them that our data is suited for their purpose.
2017-04-25 11535, 2017
ruaok
like our competition would do.
2017-04-25 11511, 2017
Quesito
right on
2017-04-25 11521, 2017
Quesito
also does this person need "the paperwork" ?
2017-04-25 11556, 2017
ruaok
I think the paperwork in this case is more about invoicing and such.
2017-04-25 11516, 2017
ruaok
if they are going to be bronze for now, try and not actually sign the contract for now.
2017-04-25 11523, 2017
ruaok
once they level up, we should consider it.
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Sophist-UK
yvanzo: ping
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Sophist-UK
zas:ping
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Quesito
👍
2017-04-25 11524, 2017
Sophist-UK
ruaok / Quesito: Are there any other review sites with permissive licenses that we could copy (with attributioin of course) to give some critical mass to CB?
2017-04-25 11532, 2017
Sophist-UK
Also is there scope for a CB plugin for Picard both to tag music with reviews or links to reviews, and to provide an alternative UI for submission of CB reviews?
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Freso
Sophist-UK: At some point I suggested a Kodi plugin for looking up reviews from CB.
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Freso
Oh, I think that was for GCI.
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Freso
It never got published since we don't/didn't have any mentors who know anything about Kodi. :/
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github
[picard] samj1912 closed pull request #706: PICARD-1070: 1.4.x Make apply_func work on all metadata (1.4.x...fix-apply_func-1.4.x) https://git.io/vSh0f
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ruaok
Sophist-UK: I dont know any other review sites with a non-neutral POV and permissive licensing... :(
2017-04-25 11541, 2017
Sophist-UK
Pity.
2017-04-25 11508, 2017
ruaok
yea, but it would make no sense to start CB if such a site existed, right?
2017-04-25 11524, 2017
Sophist-UK
Just created PICARD-1074 to provide a low-key marketing route for MetaBrainz via Picard UI.
Wikipedia? Not really known for its quality music reviews though.
2017-04-25 11514, 2017
ruaok
neutral point of view.
2017-04-25 11518, 2017
Freso
Sophist-UK: WP isn't non-neutral though.
2017-04-25 11531, 2017
ruaok
the whole point of CB is for people to be able to express opinions about the albums
2017-04-25 11552, 2017
ruaok
Freso: you at the office?
2017-04-25 11554, 2017
Sophist-UK
I guess you could approach neutral review sites and see if they would be willing to let you use their reviews with attribution (effectively free advertising for them).
2017-04-25 11526, 2017
Sophist-UK
Or trawl e.g. facebook?
2017-04-25 11532, 2017
Freso
ruaok: No, I'll be unpacking and laundrying and receiving a package at some point, so not sure if I'll be able to swing by today.
2017-04-25 11503, 2017
ruaok
heh, me too. I've got packages arriving at the office and guests at home.
2017-04-25 11506, 2017
Sophist-UK
Just brainstorming here, so some of these ideas may be rubbish / stupid.
2017-04-25 11517, 2017
ruaok
I guess I'll alert the MetaBrainz Press Corps about the incoming package. :)
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Gentlecat
I might be there in about an hour
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ruaok
k, cool.
2017-04-25 11547, 2017
Quesito
Sophist-UK: I like your brainstorming--I haven't yet gone into the CB path, as I'm working on simplifying the tower of babble/MBIDs currently. But I think we should keep marinating on a way to help CB grow...
2017-04-25 11516, 2017
Freso
Do any of the MeB Office Press Corp. ever review music by chance? :p
2017-04-25 11554, 2017
ruaok
perhaps they should. :)
2017-04-25 11507, 2017
ruaok
we can charge music reviews in lieu of rent. :)
2017-04-25 11544, 2017
samj1912
Sophist-UK: changed your commit a bit
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samj1912
map doesnt return a list on py3
2017-04-25 11555, 2017
samj1912
but an iterator
2017-04-25 11524, 2017
Gentlecat
CB-243 can make it more interesting for people who don't write reviews
samj1912: rather than "[func(value) for value in values]" how about "list(map(func,values))"? Or does that not work?
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github
[metabrainz-logos] Freso opened pull request #11: Square the "no text" OfficeBrainz logo (master...square-officebrainz) https://git.io/v9qei
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samj1912
so, I have to pick a topic and a professor from my college for my BTP ( bachelor's thesis project) soon which starts next term (Aug 2017) and will continue for an year, I was thinking if it was possible to take up a MeB project that would span an year. MeB will be the ext. client and guide and my professor here(if he agress to it) will be the proxy. I was
2017-04-25 11550, 2017
samj1912
thinking of learning something new and help MeB in the meanwhile. I was looking at BigQuery integration or MessyBrainz. I am open to other suggestions as well, any large MeB project that needs some code love ;)
2017-04-25 11553, 2017
samj1912
ruaok: ^
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alastairp
Sophist-UK: the first way is more "pythonic", and preferred
2017-04-25 11522, 2017
alastairp
samj1912: cool
2017-04-25 11544, 2017
Freso
samj1912: ❤️
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ruaok
I think AB/MsB are good options for that, samj1912.
2017-04-25 11508, 2017
ruaok
in the short term, I think iliekcomputers will tackle the BQ needs for LB.
2017-04-25 11523, 2017
samj1912
I was thinking of AB for BQ
2017-04-25 11530, 2017
samj1912
or MsB
2017-04-25 11539, 2017
ruaok
not sure what our needs for BQ will be past this summer -- still unclear.
2017-04-25 11541, 2017
alastairp
what are the academic requirements for the project?
2017-04-25 11501, 2017
alastairp
do some development, run an experiment, get results?
2017-04-25 11506, 2017
ruaok
MsB could be a good one -- there is a lot to do and a lot to gain from the project.
2017-04-25 11524, 2017
alastairp
yeah, that's still a big huge unknown
2017-04-25 11537, 2017
samj1912
alastairp: very unclear currently, if I find a willing professor, there are no requirements other than the fact that it should be something substantial enough to keep me busy for 8 credits worth (8hrs/week) for 2 semesters
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alastairp
do you want to get a publication out of it?
2017-04-25 11529, 2017
samj1912
yes, I will have to write reports and if possible a publication
2017-04-25 11505, 2017
samj1912
publication depends on whether or not it will be accepted but I will be graded on my report by my local professor and the reviews by the client
2017-04-25 11512, 2017
alastairp
it's a pity that all of the data in MsB is currently normalised through last.fm :(
2017-04-25 11537, 2017
ruaok
that should change once we get native LB writers.
2017-04-25 11531, 2017
samj1912
I will contact my professor(s) and ask them what and what not might be possible
2017-04-25 11555, 2017
ruaok
I think you'll likely blow the professors away with what you're going to ask. :)
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alastairp
oh yeah
2017-04-25 11553, 2017
alastairp
undergraduate level.... this kind of project is normally pretty "small"
2017-04-25 11503, 2017
ruaok
and often useless.
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github
[metabrainz-logos] mayhem closed pull request #11: Square the "no text" OfficeBrainz logo (master...square-officebrainz) https://git.io/v9qei
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alastairp
I made a search engine for midi songs
2017-04-25 11553, 2017
ruaok
modern technology for anachronisms. yep, pretty useless. :D
2017-04-25 11509, 2017
alastairp
hey, you could plug in a midi controller and play your search query!
2017-04-25 11512, 2017
alastairp
it was pretty cool
2017-04-25 11540, 2017
ruaok
:)
2017-04-25 11512, 2017
samj1912
also, I might need a professor/research person from the client side to be incharge, not exactly sure how the proxy system works but a few of my seniors are currently doing proxy BTPs via Microsoft Research and MIT
2017-04-25 11524, 2017
alastairp
samj1912: you can use me for that if you want
2017-04-25 11529, 2017
samj1912
cool! :D
2017-04-25 11544, 2017
samj1912
alastairp: I will enquire about it further and let you know if its possible and what the requirements are :)
2017-04-25 11553, 2017
alastairp
sounds good
2017-04-25 11546, 2017
CatQuest
ruaok: afaik CB still has this issue where you can't vote on a review being useful/not since that creates and error
2017-04-25 11549, 2017
CatQuest
an*
2017-04-25 11518, 2017
ruaok
yep, but that is a minor thing in the grand scheme of things.
2017-04-25 11545, 2017
CatQuest
yeeach... kinda holding *me* up tbh
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CatQuest
anyway, back later \o
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ruaok
o/
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samj1912
ruaok: alastairp I needed some more info on MsB and BQ in AB, I will have to write a proposal (similar to a gsoc one) for this proxy BTP, so needed some research material, mainly they are concerned with the metrics on what they will evaluate my BTP on since they wont be involved in it directly. I also need to show something quantifiable for the BTP panel to
2017-04-25 11508, 2017
samj1912
evaluate my project on. According to my seniors who are currently doing the BTP via MSR showed the papers they read/code they wrote and research papers they were involved with. So basically I need info on the current status of my project, my plans and evaluation metrics.
2017-04-25 11546, 2017
samj1912
anything to help with the above, documentation, plans etc. will do :)
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Gentlecat
CatQuest: it looks like a small issue in the query. no one just got around to fixing it
