Ether_Man, I haven't used it personally, but doesn't emby fill that role?
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Ether_Man
Leftmost, emby requires a monthly license even for basic features. They market themselves as freemium, but when the "free tier" only lets you browse and not actually play anything, well you're really a paid product and while I have nothing against paid products, I dislike subscriptions for running apps on my own system, that does not in any way require their services, and even more so, they should clearly market themselves as
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Ether_Man
such and not try to claim that they're free
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Leo_Verto[m]
wat
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Leo_Verto[m]
I use emby and that's not true
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Leo_Verto[m]
you can use the emby webinterface for free for ever
2017-05-09 12935, 2017
Leo_Verto[m]
the apps cost money, sure, but for my use case which is an emby server with kodi clients running the emby plugins, I can use everything I need for free
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Ether_Man
Right, but then you're basically just working around the restriction, and I'm more of like that I don't want to use that more of on the principle that I think it's a shitty restriction to have in the first place
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Leo_Verto[m]
and I'd rather use an open source product with optional premium features than software than one with a closed source client that makes calls to plex.tv
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Leo_Verto[m]
at least I can make my own emby builds if I don't want to pay
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Ether_Man
You can disable remote access to your Plex if you don't like that. But sure, if your principle is that it has to be open source, feel free.
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zas
I fixed the bugged wiki.mb.o LE cert renewal, cron command was using an unsupported option. I added certbot ppa which provides an up-to-date letsencrypt command supporting the post-hook option.
um i'm not...docker is running, although I've checked it with hello world...
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Sophist_UK watches the docker conv. with interest - it seems to me that sometimes it can take more time to set up a dev environment than you spend on actual development.
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Leo_Verto[m]
then which command did you use to start it?
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Leo_Verto[m]
you need a different one to start it after the first start
Sophist_UK: docker usually simplifies the process of setting up a dev env a lot
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Leo_Verto[m]
at the cost of quite a lot of disk space and runtime overhead
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Sophist_UK
Yes - I suppose containers should do that. But e.g. when I set up the Picard Website test environment on my PC (no docker - not sure if it would have helped), I was stepping into the unknown because all the instructions were for Linux not Windows.
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Quesito
ok Leo_Verto[m] so in terminal 1) docker run hello-world (returns that it is running great. 2) cd metabr* then 3) docker-compose -f docker/docker-compose.dev.yml up --build -d
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Quesito
what command am i missing?
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Leo_Verto[m]
Sophist_UK: if you're using Windows 10 you could use the Linux subsystem instead
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samj1912
Meeting in 15 miss people are
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samj1912
s/miss people are/minutes, people
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Sophist_UK
Yoda has arrived.
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Leo_Verto[m]
Quesito: huh, that should a) work and b) not trigger the error message you got o_O
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Quesito
Sophist_UK: I'm definitely in unchartered waters for me and I'm really disliking the number of times 'failed' has been used today....
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Quesito
Leo_Verto[m]: yeah I dont get it.
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Quesito
samj1912: yup! just wanted to see if i could get a fix prior too! :)
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Quesito
well I shall continue on...thanks for trying to help Leo_Verto[m] ! :)
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samj1912
Quesito: was just reminding about the meeting :P
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Sophist_UK
Leo_Verto[m]: I installed the Linux subsystem a couple of days ago no - not tried it yet.
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Quesito
right on
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samj1912
Sophist_UK: I have no idea how you live off off developing on Windows :P
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Quesito
CatQuest: I believe needed to be reminded about the meeting in 10 minutes ;)
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Sophist_UK
sam1912 meeting reminding about was!
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samj1912
especially when its stuff like python :P
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Leo_Verto[m]
sorry I couldn't help you Quesito, my docker setup just finished and I see what you meant when you talked about broken CSS :P
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Sophist_UK
sam1912: Because I am not a pro developer - I do a lot of other stuff on my PC - probably all of which couold be done on Linux though.
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Quesito
have a good meeting Picard team!
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Quesito
if you solve that one Leo_Verto[m] let me know--if I ever make it back to that point...:P
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Sophist_UK
7 mins and 30 odd seconds to go.
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samj1912
Sophist_UK: apart from playing games, yes, just about everything else
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Sophist_UK
I wish I had the time to go through the learning curve. Just choosing the right Linux dist seems to be a steep curve.
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Sophist_UK
s/dist/distro/
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samj1912
Quesito: about broken CSS, might be a css compilation issue
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Leo_Verto[m]
starting with an Ubuntu based distro is probably the best idea, then move to something like Arch if you feel you're ready
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samj1912
Sophist_UK: ubuntu is just right for new users
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Leo_Verto[m]
or just start with Arch which really just requires reading the manual
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samj1912
or settle for Manjaro if you have a shitty laptop with dumb driver issues
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Leo_Verto[m]
(Manjaro is based on Arch btw)
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samj1912
I know :P
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Leo_Verto[m]
I know you know :P
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samj1912
anyways, Ubuntu 17.04 is the way to go Sophist_UK
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samj1912
the best thing about it is that it has tons of guides
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samj1912
and even more packages
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samj1912
Freso: you will be leading the meeting today too?
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hibiscuskazeneko
Is it just me or has MB been painfully slow for days?
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Freso
So, do you want me to lead the meeting, or should I just... sure, I can. :p
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Leo_Verto[m]
the Arch wiki also has tons of information and guides that's usually more up to date than the fragmented Ubuntu guides
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Leo_Verto[m]
and there are great packages like picard-git in the AUR :D
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Freso
picard-git is amazing, yes. ;)
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Sophist_UK
!m Freso
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BrainzBot
You're doing good work, Freso!
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samj1912
Leo_Verto[m]: still a bit of a steeper curve than ubuntu :P
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Freso
And on that note...
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Freso
</BANG>
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Freso
Eh.
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Freso
<BANG>
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Sophist_UK
LOL
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samj1912
hello people
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zas
syntax error
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Freso
Let's open before we close, yes? 🙄
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samj1912
to the first picard meeting of the season :P
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zas
Hey everyone
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Freso
Hunting season? Or just general seasoning?
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Sophist_UK
Lets go hunt some wabbits.
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samj1912
Agenda: Picard 2.0 - Plugins, Threading, Further developement, distribution, UI/UX
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | Picard meeting: Picard 2.0 , Picard Works paper PICARD-1082 (Sophist)
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Freso
Oh, crud, I haven't acrually gotten around to reading that paper.
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Freso
Oh well.
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Freso
Picard 2.0... do we just start from an end, with plugins?
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Sophist_UK
I will summarise it when we get to it.
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samj1912
Freso: lets just pick one topic
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samj1912
plugins will do
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samj1912
so I have ported most of the plugins to 2.0
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Freso
Sophist_UK: I think it's an "if" question. I don't think we'll finish this conversation tonight. :)
