reosarevok: Actually, MIMO IDs nor HS IDs are missing from most Wikidata entries. And there is probably not a 1:1 matching with it.
2017-05-17 13734, 2017
yvanzo
s/nor/and
2017-05-17 13728, 2017
Quesito
m0n0g0n: yes! Sign up/Send an email and I'm happy to help you and continue the conversation!
2017-05-17 13731, 2017
m0n0g0n
thanks
2017-05-17 13737, 2017
yvanzo
reosarevok: Last point we did not discuss is Code 39, but according to your comment on Jira, you seem to agree with it. :)
2017-05-17 13752, 2017
m0n0g0n
"Do I need to sign a licensing agreement in order to use MusicBrainz?":"No. Unlike Gracenote's CDDB you do not need to sign a licensing agreement."
2017-05-17 13735, 2017
m0n0g0n
the term "use MusicBrainz" includes also the web service api? very unclear statements in my opinion
2017-05-17 13753, 2017
reosarevok
yvanzo: yeah it's fine IMO
2017-05-17 13701, 2017
m0n0g0n
@ruaok, is this whole commercial licencing model a kind of donation and legally not necessary? don't get me wrong, I don't want to steal something from the community, but i need the exact clear legal status of the webservice
2017-05-17 13729, 2017
ruaok
is this the first company you're starting?
2017-05-17 13747, 2017
ruaok
if I may give you some unsolicited advice for starting a business...
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m0n0g0n
sure :-)
2017-05-17 13705, 2017
ruaok
try not to piss off the people you're trying to do business with.
2017-05-17 13733, 2017
m0n0g0n
I think asking about the exact legal status is legitimate
2017-05-17 13759, 2017
ruaok
the API returns CC-nc-by-sa data. fine for non commercial use.
We aren't worried about you stealing m0n0g0n I think currently you may have put some folks off in your tone. But other than that-we are happy to answer your questions
2017-05-17 13744, 2017
m0n0g0n
my english is not very good
2017-05-17 13750, 2017
m0n0g0n
ignore my tone :-)
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Quesito
Im currently out and about-but as I said before m0n0g0n please sign up/send me an email and I'll be happy to continue this conversation!
2017-05-17 13713, 2017
m0n0g0n
i'm kind and don't want to piss someone off
2017-05-17 13718, 2017
reosarevok
So there's usually not much that very specifically doesn't return any CC-NC data. As you might have guessed, that's both because it's useful data *and* because it makes it more likely for us to get support, so we can keep running
2017-05-17 13738, 2017
ruaok
too late, m0n0g0n
2017-05-17 13745, 2017
Quesito
No worries!
2017-05-17 13702, 2017
reosarevok would suggest continuing the conversation via email :)
2017-05-17 13713, 2017
m0n0g0n
ruaok, i suggest to remove such statements from faq website: "This site is free. CDDB is not.
2017-05-17 13713, 2017
m0n0g0n
CDDB was made by volunteers sharing the track listings of their CDs with the central server that was run voluntarily, not for profit. This freely volunteered effort was effectively stolen by Gracenote, who made it a commercial service that you have to pay to use in your music player software, or if you want to download large parts of the database for whatever reason. "
Sign up and I'll email you-there we can continue And you can give me all you notes!
2017-05-17 13731, 2017
m0n0g0n
i know, you have to pay, like for other commercial services... yeah it's "free" :-)
2017-05-17 13731, 2017
reosarevok
m0n0g0n: you can freely download the entirety of the data, and run your own server with it
2017-05-17 13714, 2017
reosarevok
The CC0 part at least can be used for whatever you want then
2017-05-17 13743, 2017
m0n0g0n
i know, thanks.. maybe you should make this more clear on your website
2017-05-17 13759, 2017
reosarevok
If you want an extra service on top of that, then sure, that's not free - because it's also very much not free for us to provide
2017-05-17 13740, 2017
m0n0g0n
yes, i know, but i think 100$/month as a minimum is very high
2017-05-17 13755, 2017
reosarevok
I know almost no site that can survive on any other model with free data, except for Wikipedia who are immensely huge *and* they still need to do very aggressive marketing for donations
2017-05-17 13724, 2017
reosarevok
Well, that's the kind of thing you can definitely discuss with Quesito over email :) We've historically been flexible with fees although I'm not exactly sure how that works, but she does :)
2017-05-17 13749, 2017
reosarevok
(and she might agree some things should be clearer, in which case she definitely can make that happen)
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m0n0g0n
ok, thanks again, if my app is ready and i use your service, i will pay for it, i don't want to host the database by myself
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m0n0g0n
but my cheap alternative is the amazon api
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m0n0g0n
which is free for me and i can earn some additionaly money with links to amazon from my app
2017-05-17 13708, 2017
m0n0g0n
the amazon model is very attractive for a small developer like me
2017-05-17 13720, 2017
ruaok
every single company who signed up with us and made "affiliate income" as a central part of their business model has failed.
2017-05-17 13727, 2017
ruaok
just saying.
2017-05-17 13726, 2017
m0n0g0n
maybe you are aright, but i my case this will not be the central part
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ruaok
adverts make up the other part, right?
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m0n0g0n
nope
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ruaok
do tell, what is your business model then?
2017-05-17 13747, 2017
m0n0g0n
the old classic "selling software for money" business model
2017-05-17 13700, 2017
adhawkins
Hi all. Had an email from a guy regarding libmb the other day. He finished with "p.s. the mailing list seems down". Not sure which mailing list he's referring to, but thought I'd mention it here.
2017-05-17 13719, 2017
ruaok
yes, the lists are dead.
2017-05-17 13730, 2017
ruaok
do you know where he found that reference? we should clean that up.
2017-05-17 13740, 2017
adhawkins
No idea, sorry.
2017-05-17 13756, 2017
ruaok
no worries.
2017-05-17 13738, 2017
reosarevok is a bit confused about what sort of app can use either our API or Amazon's - they seem to be very different in intent and depth
2017-05-17 13746, 2017
reosarevok
If it was us or Discogs, or something, I'd understand
2017-05-17 13728, 2017
m0n0g0n
i need only some basics infos about a music release
2017-05-17 13754, 2017
MajorLurker is confused how you ¨sell software for money¨ but want everybody else to do the work for you
2017-05-17 13711, 2017
reosarevok
MajorLurker: tbh that's what most people do, provide added service on top :)
2017-05-17 13739, 2017
MajorLurker
Should have added ¨for free¨
2017-05-17 13739, 2017
reosarevok
m0n0g0n: I mean, what for? If you want to be able to have a lot of back catalog, Amazon might not work. If you want very new major releases, Amazon might be a better fit
2017-05-17 13746, 2017
m0n0g0n
the musicbrainz database is only a small part of the app, so i do the most work :-)
2017-05-17 13733, 2017
ruaok
is this a mobile app?
2017-05-17 13752, 2017
reosarevok
The only thing I could see the Amazon API working well with is something like headphones where you very specifically want the newest releases quick, but I imagine their API has some sort of conditions about piracy that might block that sort of use
2017-05-17 13714, 2017
reosarevok
(ok, also for stuff like "this artist released a new album" without anything else, but I imagine not many people would pay for that)
2017-05-17 13711, 2017
reosarevok
But there's a reason I'm not an entrepreneur, of course, I don't have a particularly great imagination :D
2017-05-17 13723, 2017
reosarevok
On the other hand, the main software using our data that people do pay with is powerful taggers, but those wouldn't work well with Amazon data *and* do require more than just a bit of info
2017-05-17 13733, 2017
reosarevok
er. *do pay for
2017-05-17 13715, 2017
ruaok
man, I hate quickbooks. meh.
2017-05-17 13737, 2017
Clint
hledger
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ruaok
I wish I could change. the software we use is dictated by our accountants.
2017-05-17 13719, 2017
Clint
yuck
2017-05-17 13703, 2017
ruaok
yeah. but Quesito's suggested changes are going to improve things a lot.
2017-05-17 13745, 2017
reosarevok
Meh
2017-05-17 13754, 2017
reosarevok
I thought it was a bad day because the cats peed in the laundry basket
2017-05-17 13759, 2017
reosarevok
But at least I'm not doing accounting
2017-05-17 13720, 2017
ruaok
today is all about the things that I don't want to work on.
reosarevok: CatQuest: you know where to find me if you want something added to the script :)
2017-05-17 13706, 2017
Sophist-UK switches windows to use Quickbooks.
2017-05-17 13712, 2017
ruaok shudders
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loujine
I didn't know about MIMO, but I think I did the same graph from MB data
2017-05-17 13739, 2017
Quesito
At least we aren't using Sage ruaok?....Trying to find positives about accounting software....meh.
2017-05-17 13730, 2017
alastairp
reosarevok: yeah, pretty close
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alastairp
"oh, bad results? just change the data that we use to train the model"
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UmkaDK
Just a quick heads up: DBD::Pg 3.6.0 has broken utf8 support. Upgrading to it breaks the database import scripts. It looks like MBS-9342 was caused by it. Downgrading to DBD::Pg 3.5.91 resolved the issue.
