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      • ruaok
        either:
      • 2017-06-26 17720, 2017

      • ruaok
        1) we found these issues and we'd like to address them, but don't know how.
      • 2017-06-26 17732, 2017

      • ruaok
        2) We know what we're doing and this is what we want.
      • 2017-06-26 17748, 2017

      • ruaok
        3) Fuck this is a bunch of noise, where is the meat?
      • 2017-06-26 17703, 2017

      • reosarevok
        There's a ton of possible improvements
      • 2017-06-26 17719, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Where to start is not clear yet - what people think is more useful
      • 2017-06-26 17720, 2017

      • ruaok
        basically it amounts to taking all the feedback and distilling it into concrete points for discussion.
      • 2017-06-26 17736, 2017

      • reosarevok
        So that would be something to try and figure out
      • 2017-06-26 17745, 2017

      • ruaok
        do you want to try that?
      • 2017-06-26 17755, 2017

      • ruaok
        or is this something that i should lead in some sort of formal meeting?
      • 2017-06-26 17723, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Freso, Quesito: https://community.metabrainz.org/t/classical-musi… - what would you think about a specific classical sub-category?
      • 2017-06-26 17731, 2017

      • ruaok
        +1 Freso
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      • Quesito
        prioritization- is this something that can happen
      • 2017-06-26 17738, 2017

      • Quesito
        +1
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: Fine with me.
      • 2017-06-26 17759, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Let's do that, seems like a good starting point
      • 2017-06-26 17700, 2017

      • ruaok
        I think we're finally at a point where we can pay attention to classical.
      • 2017-06-26 17701, 2017

      • Freso
        /c/musicbrainz/classical ?
      • 2017-06-26 17704, 2017

      • reosarevok
        yeah
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      • ruaok
        it only took 17 years, but hey.
      • 2017-06-26 17712, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Then we have a clear sign we're paying attention
      • 2017-06-26 17718, 2017

      • Freso nods
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      • ruaok
        reosarevok: let's keep that sign up, please.
      • 2017-06-26 17732, 2017

      • ruaok
        see if you can drive consensus around these topics.
      • 2017-06-26 17744, 2017

      • reosarevok
        ruaok: the list in https://community.metabrainz.org/t/classical-musi… is a lot of things I think MB can improve on for classical. A lot of them need decisions on how exactly to improve it, and then we need some sort of order in which to improve them
      • 2017-06-26 17746, 2017

      • ruaok
        if you don't feel that is happening, pester me and I'll help or lead a meeting.
      • 2017-06-26 17700, 2017

      • reosarevok
        I'll dedicate some time this week to finding or creating appropriate tickets
      • 2017-06-26 17723, 2017

      • reosarevok
        I think I'll eventually pester bitmap/yvanzo too to try and figure out how difficult each one would be
      • 2017-06-26 17725, 2017

      • ruaok
        very good.
      • 2017-06-26 17742, 2017

      • ruaok
        not sure it even needs to be tickets, unless it is clear what you need to do.
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      • reosarevok
        With that + editor feedback we should be able to have some idea of what to prioritise
      • 2017-06-26 17703, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Well, some UX things are tickets. Some are probably more open-ended
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      • ruaok
        remember the rule of making actionable tickets. if it isn't actionable, keep it somewhere else until it becomes actionable.
      • 2017-06-26 17720, 2017

      • ruaok
        reosarevok: perfect.
      • 2017-06-26 17722, 2017

      • reosarevok
        But there's no point waiting for the latter to look into the former, even if they're not the biggest issues
      • 2017-06-26 17726, 2017

      • ruaok
        keep me posted with how things are going.
      • 2017-06-26 17733, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Fixing small but actionable = more sign of progress
      • 2017-06-26 17747, 2017

      • ruaok
        but Quesito and I feel that classical is a very sensival place for us to put our growing resources.
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      • Freso
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      • reosarevok
        Sir Sensival of Camelot!
      • 2017-06-26 17704, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Or something
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      • Freso
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      • reosarevok
        But ok :) I'll look into this further
      • 2017-06-26 17714, 2017

      • ruaok
        great, if it is actionable, make tickets and pester bitmap and yvanzo.
      • 2017-06-26 17726, 2017

      • ruaok
        their workload should be returning to a more "normal" level soon.
      • 2017-06-26 17728, 2017

      • ruaok
        (I hope)
      • 2017-06-26 17733, 2017

      • reosarevok
        ListMyCDs: very much into the idea of having a cleanup of the month. We should start with something doable. Any ideas?
      • 2017-06-26 17735, 2017

      • ruaok
        ok, great.
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      • Freso :cross_fingers_emoji:
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      • ruaok runs off to dinner.
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      • Quesito
        lets start by being strategic and organized....
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      • Freso
        Quesito: LOI.
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      • reosarevok
        I have Shostakovich down to an actionable amount of recordings *but* most of them are in compilations and whatnot and a pain in the ass (https://musicbrainz.org/artist/519dd32e-8f30-4380…)
      • 2017-06-26 17721, 2017

      • reosarevok
        You might have a better suggestion
      • 2017-06-26 17736, 2017

      • reosarevok
        (I don't want Mozart or Liszt because it's too scary a first choice)
      • 2017-06-26 17739, 2017

      • ListMyCDs
        reosarevok: No idea what is doable, I believe we should ask feedback from other editors
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      • ListMyCDs
        I could edit anything, but I believe some editors might join only when they see some of their favorites
      • 2017-06-26 17757, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Fair enough :) Let's make some sort of survey
      • 2017-06-26 17705, 2017

      • ListMyCDs
        And no to Mozart, that's reserved for me xD
      • 2017-06-26 17722, 2017

      • yvanzo
        ruaok, reosarevok: and return to a more "normal" availability too.
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: I moved Quesito's "classical team" topic to #classical, but I'll leave the rest of https://community.metabrainz.org/tags/classical alone for now. Feel free to move any posts you think would be relevant to #classical :)
      • 2017-06-26 17704, 2017

      • Freso
        (There are a bunch of classical questions spread through MusicBrainz, MusicBrainz/Style, Picard, etc., and I'm not sure which if those you would feel are aligned with how you envision /c/mb/classical to work. :))
      • 2017-06-26 17713, 2017

      • reosarevok
        Freso: super, thanks
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      • Freso
        Np.
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      • zas is here, sorry a bit late
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      • Quesito
        reosarevok: I'm running away for a bit...when I return I'll get back to some organizational possibilities to propose to you...and of course the forum posting....
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      • yvanzo
        bitmap: Do you have a bit of time to discuss scripts deployment/handling?
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      • bitmap
        sure
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      • reosarevok
        Quesito: perfect
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      • zas
        i missed the meeting ... i thought it was 18 UTC ?
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      • Freso
        zas: 17 UTC.
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      • yvanzo
        bitmap: Scripts to remove current unwanted accounts do not have to lie in MBS code.
      • 2017-06-26 17731, 2017

      • Freso
        (As was in topic until a bit ago and has been in the topic for a couple of weeks now. :))
      • 2017-06-26 17745, 2017

      • bitmap
        they're pure sql, right?
      • 2017-06-26 17751, 2017

      • zas
        Freso: damn...
      • 2017-06-26 17757, 2017

      • Freso
        :)
      • 2017-06-26 17707, 2017

      • Freso
        C'est la vie, as your countrymen say.
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      • yvanzo
        bitmap: with a bit of Perl I can remove from it
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      • zas
        Anyway, i mostly worked on this suspect traffic we have, and i'm coming to a conclusion, i still need to verify something (and it will be tomorrow), i'll prolly do a complete report about this matter if things are confirmed.
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      • bitmap
        yvanzo: is there a problem with having them in the mbs repo? not sure where else they'd go, tbh
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      • yvanzo
        There are about 700k accounts to be removed, so maybe we should not do it with a single command. *<:O)
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      • bitmap
        unless you just want to add them to the container manually, that works
      • 2017-06-26 17702, 2017

      • zas
        700k accounts to remove ?
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      • yvanzo
        bitmap: No, they just won't be needed all the time.
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      • bitmap
        got it
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      • zas
        samj1912: ping
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      • bitmap
        you can just link a gist for review, I guess
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      • samj1912
        Pong
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      • samj1912
        zas: Hey
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      • zas
        Hey, first gsoc evaluations are open
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      • samj1912
        Yeah, I saw the mail
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      • samj1912
        We'll continue in PMs?
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      • zas
        yup
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      • Freso
        yvanzo: Will they be removed using proper calls or are you going to remove them directly in the SQL? 🙈
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      • reosarevok
        Quesito (and ruaok): do we have any plans to introduce any badges or whatnot like QuoraUK was looking into for BookBrainz? (someone mentioned them on https://community.metabrainz.org/t/classical-musi… and they'd be neat for things like community cleanup participation)
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      • yvanzo
        zas: 747874 accounts, does it sound more reasonnable? :)
      • 2017-06-26 17717, 2017

      • zas
        definitively ;)
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      • yvanzo
        Freso: directly.
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      • Freso
        yvanzo: :/ Can we do something to match removed accounts up with accounts on e.g., the forums?
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      • Freso
        s/e.g., //
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      • yvanzo
        Freso: Accounts on forums have confirmed email address, no?
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      • reosarevok
        Quesito: added a couple threads on https://community.metabrainz.org/c/musicbrainz/cl… (plus moved some old ones)
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      • reosarevok
        bitmap / yvanzo: How much work would something like https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-2637 be?
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      • BrainzBot
        MBS-2637: Ability to search, filter works and merge related works into one
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      • reosarevok sees it has a bunch of votes :)
      • 2017-06-26 17737, 2017

      • reosarevok
        (the merge bit is minor)
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      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: There is something to be discussed with the concept of “master work”, Sophist-UK initiated this discussion a few weeks ago.
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        But in general (I suspect until that concept was implemented just collapsing part-of by default would be good enough)
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      • loujine
        reosarevok: I'll need some details about NWR/CRI / DRAM, I only understood it was about scripting data import
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      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: Do you have some examples of works being part of two distinct works?
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      • SothoTalker_
        hello
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      • SothoTalker_
        what did i miss?
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      • agentsim
        I think I broke replication on my MB instance
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      • agentsim
        when I run the LoadReplicationChanges script it tells me it is "Continuing a previously aborted load" but then spits out a sql error
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      • agentsim
        is there a to throw away the aborted load instead of trying to continue it?
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      • Quesito
        reosarevok: continuing work on CME org proposals--possible to have a bit of your time tomorrow?
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      • reosarevok
        Quesito: sorry I was playing. Tomorrow is good
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      • Quesito
        right on!
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      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: I'm on mobile but search for Holst's The Planets, there are two versions
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      • reosarevok
        loujine: if ruaok tells me I can give you access I'll send you the info. ruaok, any problem sending that SQL dump to someone without a contract? I assume it's fine since it's info that's all online anyway?
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      • ruaok
        Yes, fine. There were not stipulations attached to the dump.
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      • reosarevok
        loujine: remind me to send the info tomorrow then (unless ruaok wants to send it himself now)
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      • ruaok
        Zzzzz
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      • developer
        hey new dev here. Would it be possible to use musicbrainz api to find top tracks by just year?
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