#metabrainz

cool. ELK?

Elasticsearch, Logstash, and Kibana

ah

I wanted stats about picard from the WS usage :P

LAMP, KINGPIN, HEROIN and now ELK? Jeez, open source people.

so we ended up going down this route :P

there is a stack named HEROIN? O.o

no, but there ought to be.

lol :P

you forgot, GIT, MELANGE, FLASK,

these open source people are very silly

PYTHON

a very silly silly people indeed

is there one called 420? must be

Hi chhavi_ .I'm mostly interested in documentation, but a design that doesn't need as much documentation is even better (of course) :-)

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chhavi_, you write about your first visit to MB, but what were your expectations? Did you have any pre-conceived ideas about the site before you saw it?

come on, she's friend with samj1912. of course she expected it to be glorious!

right? ;)

I ask because: for a long time, I've argued that the MB site evolved as a way to /edit/ MB, not as a way to explore it.

evolved is totally correct, yes.

but should that mean that is its destiny?

So its structure mirrors the database.

(and it assumes that the viewer already think in MB terms)

could it not evolve to be discoverable using the same structure?

That's a good question. As others have pointed out, wikipedia manages to do both.

we need to as well. we have increasingly larger number of artists coming to us who are not familiar with our terminology

As editors or as tourists?

tourists becoming visitors becoming editors.

I think we have an incredibly opportunity to shape how we draw people into the project.

we're finally ready. google indexes us.

we're now in a position to think about problems that have been on our table for a long time.

I see two

1) How do we bring in more editors? By hooking them in and letting them fall down the rabbithole, if they wish.

2) How do we highlight missing data?

1.a) How do we turn editors into voters?

1) pay them :D

2) big red exclamation marks :D

I could imagine doing periodic workshops that get people started/engaged in voting.

(a sort of stuctured, guided CotM)

ferbncode: hi. I'm traveling for 2 days, but will get back to review of your PRs on Tuesday

ruaok: I recommend you avoid the airport for a few months until they fix their security systems

it's horrible

what's wrong with the systems? there was a strike. are there technical problems too now?

how much time did you spend in line?

Can't they crowd-source that stuff? Everybody in the security line, frisk the person in front of you.

no, I mean the strike. We were in line about 15 minutes, but they were much pickier with bags in the xray

last three times I've been "accidentally selected" for their extra bomb residue screen...

[17:31] <CallerNo6> I ask because: for a long time, I've argued that the MB site evolved as a way to /edit/ MB, not as a way to explore it.

+1000 that is soo true

and the reasons for the issues with newbies and the idea I had about (atleast) two views

ironically it is also not really perfected for editing

so. many. things. could be made ui wize to make editing and SEARCHING and searcing to edit (ie search view and the information you're given in edit screens ) better

ruaok: Could we hook people into editing by getting Picard to highlight when MB data is only basic?

yes!

+1

(sidenote: it was rythmbox (I think?) that initially prompted me to add missing data to MB)

(whatever the default player was in ubuntu in 2007)

last.fm's link back to us helped us with a huge jump in numbers.

we've been needing to do this sort of big picture integration thinking for many moons. I'm happy we have the capacity for it now.

To contrast MB with wikipedia (in terms of exploration):

wikipedia by nature has lots of links that can send you down all sorts of paths. tangents, general theory, similar topics.

we do too -- we may not be as good as turning them into potential rabbitholes.

MB is good at drilling down (members of bands, lists of works).

MB doesn't do as much to send you back up the tree, as it were.

I think this is where the data from AB/LB/CB can shine. it provides these extra links to toss you into far flung corners of the DB if you want.

Exactly

I know a lot of recent MB editors came to edit while using a french site senscritique.com

also nice. :)

they have a nice guide though

needs a logo update. :)

heh, not my site :)

good to know -- I like collecting these sorts of bits of data to show to potential supporters

Could we approach http://www.cbcmusic.ca/ ; http://www.icimusique.ca/ ? their metadata sucks :P

CBC is like the BBC of Canada

we've never had any luck approaching anyone.

they always come to us.

the designated contacts are probably not the people most likely to 'get it'?

unlikely.

or are more risk-averse. or are too busy to think about a bunch of yippies.

the underlings, however... those people can probably be assimilated.

the thing is, changing metadata provider is a huge hassle.

not something someone does on a whim, let alone a public broadcaster.

that sounds extraordinarily true.

it took 2 years of talk before the BBC took real action.

2 years after they decided they needed help and thought that MB could be a good solution.

then it took *10* years to get everything done they wanted from the get go.

what provider were they using before MB ?

just curious

AMG

the BBC really didn't like the 2 year contract durations with a nearly guaranteed 100% fee increase.

I find AMG too US centric

but when you're hooked.

their list of complaints with AMG was long

One more day

lol. "Gentlecat: please add items. "

If that's still in the brainstorming phase, is there a google doc or something?

(sidenote: the term 'world domination' doesn't actually appear in the docs. I should make a ticket for that.)

yes, please

Oh, so anyway, what i was thinking about was this other pool of potential editors. Critique-writers.

er, potential pool of potential editors.

I see now that CatQuest mentioned the edit/discover split before I did. Sorry dude, didn't mean to hijack your talking point.

no, not at all, it's cool that others bring up the points I've been making for like 7 years :D

in allseriousness, caller is one of the people who are better at formulating what I've been thinking myelf better thna I am at formulating it

so i have no issues with that at all :)

alastairp: sure, thanks :)

Also, chhavi_ , I didn't mean to say "MB evolved this way, so your reponse is invallid" Not at all.

ARG wtf why has wikipedia now decided to link their wikidata pages retardedly :////

instead of the logical link https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q339359 it is now linked as https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPag...

so I can't just do "copy link location" on the wikipage, but have to follow through to the wikidatapage