Freso: sigyn seems to working excellently, just saw a spamwave hit #sql and a bunch of others but nothing happened here! \o/
2018-01-13 01356, 2018
Leftmost
More than anything, that just means they didn't show up here. Sigyn hasn't kicked or banned anyone, so we don't really have any measure of her effectiveness.
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samj1912
This ^
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samj1912
I have sigyn on one of my channels
2018-01-13 01319, 2018
samj1912
Didn't work sadly :/
2018-01-13 01340, 2018
naiveai
Leftmost: maybe spammers just avoid channels with Sigyn?
2018-01-13 01353, 2018
naiveai
idk whatever. as long as there's no spam :D
2018-01-13 01330, 2018
Major_Lurker
clearly not based on what samj1912 said
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samj1912
Hmm, nvm, apparently Sigyn left in a netsplit :/
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reosarevok: so what do i do ?
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naiveai
Ashish: about?
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reosarevok
A video
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reosarevok
I'll answer on the task
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naiveai
So, I was thinking (again :P) on some plugin for BrainzBot. Often it seems that a small/informal proposal is brought up in the IRC and people vote on it, discuss a little bit, etc before it's turned into a formal JIRA issue. Would it be a good idea to have BrainzBot handle accumulating the votes and concerns on such propsals?
Leo_Verto: are there any config options for the logging? getting ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', error(61, 'Connection refused')) when starting brainzbot
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Freso
naiveai: Sigyn did kick one spammer from here, but obviously she can't remove them until they've started spamming, so we'll have to endure a few messages before she kicks into effect. (In the last case I noticed, I think the spammer sent 4 messages before getting k-lined.)
2018-01-13 01313, 2018
naiveai
Leo_Verto: oddly enough it still works
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naiveai
Freso: that makes sense, actually. can't preemptively ban people :P
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naiveai
Freso: sorry, small question. are colors disabled on this channel?
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Freso
naiveai: I don't think so.
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Freso: but reosarevok wasn't co-dictator this time! :D
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naiveai
Freso: is it safe to assume that people connecting to this channel will have clients that support colors?
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naiveai
or should I just avoid its use in brainzbot plugins
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Freso
naiveai: It isn't safe to assume anything about people's clients. :) However, sane clients that don't do colour should strip out the IRC colour/formatting codes from received messages.
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naiveai
Freso: so I can't rely on it being there. hmmm
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Freso
So I'd say feel free to (tastefully) use colours for BrainzBot.
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naiveai
Freso: what I was thinking to show users who had voted yes in green and no in red
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Freso
But use it to enhance the message, not as a message in itself.
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Freso
Yeah, no.
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naiveai
Freso: but with no colors it would then be impossible to detect.
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Freso
Yep.
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naiveai
Freso: so I could do something like:
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Freso
You could do "👍: foo, bar, baz; 👎: eggs, spam, sausage"
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naiveai
Freso +
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naiveai
+Freso, naiveai -xyz, somebody
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naiveai
Freso: ^ does above look good?
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Freso
Could also work.
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naiveai
cool
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Freso
Keep in mind a way to note "neutral" or abstain votes.
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naiveai
oh yes
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naiveai
just a * will do for them I think
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naiveai
+Freso, naiveai -xyz, somebody *neutral, people
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Freso
SeemsGood to me
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KassOtsimine
preemptively banning people is some next level Minority Report shit
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KassOtsimine
so yea.
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KassOtsimine
ooh a way to auto thingy the votes
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KassOtsimine
make sure that you program in a way to prevent people double voting :P
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naiveai
oh yeah ofc
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KassOtsimine
in my experience, atleast here, people double vote because they thing their vote wasn't seen, (atleastthat's why I've accidentally doen it :P) so a bot that auto collects votes will help prevent that atleast :D
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naiveai
only problem with this syntax is now we can't have concerns
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KassOtsimine
hmm?
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KassOtsimine
sure we can
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naiveai
no, what I mean is
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KassOtsimine
have pot see pattern "yes, but"
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naiveai
I was planning to do smth like
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KassOtsimine
bot*
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naiveai
!downvoe <proposal_name> <concern>
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naiveai
s/downvoe/downvote
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KassOtsimine
and add a * or something (I think * isn't very neutral)
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KassOtsimine
but that's bikeshedding at this point
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naiveai
so when we show the result of proposal_name, I need to figure out a way to show those concerns
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naiveai
KassOtsimine: what would be a more neutral character?
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KassOtsimine
hmmm
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KassOtsimine
nothing? if + is for and - is agaisnt?
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naiveai
well there has to be some indication for people with no colors
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KassOtsimine
what
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KassOtsimine
everyone has a colour in my client, i don't thing yo usohudl add any more colours, that will be confusing
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Freso
KassOtsimine: Not the nick colour but the "vote colour". E.g., if I vote "yes" my "colour" is "yes".
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KassOtsimine
well that would be "+" then
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KassOtsimine
and agaisnt is "-"
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naiveai
Proposal <name> by <some_dude> got these votes:
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Freso
If there's a question going on and I want to specifically state that I looked at it but I'm neither for or against, what's my "colour" then?
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Freso
naiveai suggested "*".
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KassOtsimine
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'd say it's neutral? and no vote givrn?
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Freso
Yes, neutral. But what symbol do you use to show that?
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KassOtsimine
if someoen "doesnt vote" ther nick shouldn't even be in the list
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Freso
It should.
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Freso
Well, no, not if someone doesn't participate in the vote at all.
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KassOtsimine
so everyone in the list 133 people?
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KassOtsimine
yo u can eithe vote "no, yes, or neutral
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naiveai
+hello, world -something:<concern>, someone:<concern> abstain: someone, something
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Freso
KassOtsimine: Yes. But what symbol would you use for "neutral".
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Freso
* ?
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naiveai
^ not sure how to handle long concerns in above
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naiveai
"abstain" is also a bit long. we need some char
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KassOtsimine
since you have 3 options: nothing, + and -
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KassOtsimine
imho, only guys
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naiveai
KassOtsimine: I would say it's nothing, +, -, and neutral
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KassOtsimine
imho only, guys
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KassOtsimine
if yo udon't vote why should you be in the list of votes?
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Freso
KassOtsimine: So instead of "+Freso, naiveai -xyz, somebody *neutral, people" using "+Freso, naiveai -xyz, somebody neutral, people" would convey that "neutral" and "people" abstained?
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naiveai
actually that could work
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Freso
An "abstain
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Freso
" vote is not a none vote.
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naiveai
maybe "#"
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KassOtsimine
i like that for abstain actually
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Freso
naiveai: I don't think so. Makes it hard to tell that there's something different between "somebody" and "neutral".
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Freso
* and # both work for me.
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Freso
As long as there's some symbol.
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naiveai
well I'll be adding a config option for all those symbols anyway
