Alright, thanks for the update and the work yvanzo!
2018-02-26 05719, 2018
Freso
chhavi_: Design ticket
2018-02-26 05729, 2018
Freso
chhavi_ isn't here though, but she sent me some text:
2018-02-26 05730, 2018
Freso
"""
2018-02-26 05734, 2018
Freso
Design Ticket
2018-02-26 05734, 2018
Freso
Helo, we plan to wrap up the mockups for Artist page in the coming weeks. So if you wish to give any last moment comments and feedback, now is the time :)
2018-02-26 05734, 2018
Freso
Link to the comment you would want to see for the latest mockups (quite a long thread now, so this might help)
Gah, the Matrix bridge is acting up again, I didn't see any of yvanzo's messages :/
2018-02-26 05742, 2018
Freso
Leo_Verto: Do you know if it's possible to turn the "<user> sent a long message, here's a link to a matrix paste with what they sent" off and get Matrix to send the text directly?
huh, I didn't even know that's how it handles long messages. It seems like splitting would be the better option in most cases
2018-02-26 05748, 2018
CatQuest
yea
2018-02-26 05756, 2018
Freso
CatQuest: IRCCloud gives you an option, but IRCCloud is also IRC "native". Matrix is its own thing, which just happens to also be able to connect to IRC.
2018-02-26 05712, 2018
CatQuest
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-02-26 05703, 2018
yvanzo
iliekcomputers: Btw, that would probably neat to move to a JS implementation that can be used both client-side and server-side with every *Brainz project.
2018-02-26 05717, 2018
yvanzo
CB is using Python-Markdown atm.
2018-02-26 05723, 2018
samj1912
vishichoudhary1: zas I am done converting PW to py3... there's just one problem, ast for plugin parsing now throws errors if it encounters plugins written in py2
2018-02-26 05732, 2018
zas
hmmm, this is where we shouldn't parse plugin's code for metadata ;)
2018-02-26 05738, 2018
CatQuest
yvanzo: I like the direct to jira link thing. but i have misgivings about the massive changes in what happens whne you post a regualr url. I'd rather have a simple markdown/up/sideways way of making "pretty urls" than having this auto-happen, explicitly for the mbid and other part of url to be not-hidden, but also becasue i dislike typing osmething and having the website show as having written something I didn't do. with this cheme it owu
2018-02-26 05739, 2018
CatQuest
dl be near impossible ot jsut paste a non-augemented url
2018-02-26 05741, 2018
LordSputnik
bukwurm_: I'm around, yes
2018-02-26 05714, 2018
zas
samj1912: fall back on a dumb and simple text parsing ?
2018-02-26 05720, 2018
samj1912
well ill make a PR, lets see what to do about this
2018-02-26 05738, 2018
CatQuest
Any raw (unbracketed) URL of MusicBrainz edit will be rendered as a link with title and short content. <.. hmmm :S
2018-02-26 05752, 2018
yvanzo
CatQuest: You will have both of it, as it will be possible to escape special rendering with <url> (angle brackets).
2018-02-26 05707, 2018
bukwurm_
LordSputnik: I just wanted to get a rough overview on the schema tables. :)
2018-02-26 05713, 2018
CatQuest
i'd rather have the *option* for it to do so, but beign able ot jsut paste that (https://musicbrainz.org/edit/123456 and have it as that way)
I mean, github sort of does auto-links so we probably could do something like that but it'd have to be consistent across sites
2018-02-26 05754, 2018
Freso
CatQuest: No, "*foo*" will become formatted once we switch to a CommonMark derivative.
2018-02-26 05716, 2018
CatQuest
that'd make sense for us thoguh ,as we do edits liek that (probably revisions on bb too?)
2018-02-26 05726, 2018
yvanzo
CatQuest: The thing is, people should not be required to learn the syntax as there will be a toolbar and a preview in the editor, just like in forums editor.
2018-02-26 05734, 2018
Leo__Verto joined the channel
2018-02-26 05720, 2018
Leo__Verto
yvanzo, thanks, I knew there was some sort of edit note syntax but never knew it could do that kind of stuff
2018-02-26 05729, 2018
Leo__Verto
seems like another case for better UX :P
2018-02-26 05740, 2018
yvanzo
CatQuest: It is already the case: If you want to write 'foo', you have to escape ' first.
2018-02-26 05748, 2018
LordSputnik
bukwurm_: each entity has a name, which is known as the default alias in the code. There are then the other aliases, which are usually unofficial names or translations/transliterations. All of these will be linked to a single alias set by the alias_set_alias table
2018-02-26 05701, 2018
CatQuest
Freso: i'm "ok" with new ones like that needing an escape character
2018-02-26 05701, 2018
CatQuest
yvanzo: yay! that's awesome!
2018-02-26 05702, 2018
CatQuest
freso: but the old ones shoudl be convert no. I don't want every single edit note i've ever written (there are a few :D) (using *this* for emphsis) to suddenly be turned into italics or bold or whatever and no asterixes
2018-02-26 05714, 2018
LordSputnik
Then that alias set is linked to a particular version of an entity
2018-02-26 05718, 2018
Freso
CatQuest: Old ones will appear as they do now.
2018-02-26 05724, 2018
CatQuest
also be patient. I'm typing I'm also trying to write less errors
2018-02-26 05704, 2018
CatQuest
[21:08] <Freso> CatQuest: Old ones will appear as they do now. \o/ that' all I wanted explicitly of this yay
2018-02-26 05720, 2018
Leo__Verto
how are edit notes saved internally? as markdown or rendered?
2018-02-26 05705, 2018
Freso
Leo__Verto: Neither, right now. :)
2018-02-26 05722, 2018
CatQuest
i'm fine with ''italics'' and '''bold''' and '''''bolditalic''''' being changed (that's a whole lot of's å holde styr på)
2018-02-26 05736, 2018
Leo__Verto
well yeah, as raw MB markup then, right?
2018-02-26 05722, 2018
Freso
AFAIK, yes.
2018-02-26 05746, 2018
CatQuest
anyway i've said several times that i understadn that *going forward* i'll have to do damn escaping. and i'm gonig ot make so many mistakes and i'll grumble every time. but if i could have a simple way of escaping *formating yay!(not)* as being plane text the way i want it, thne i'm happy
2018-02-26 05708, 2018
CatQuest
plain text even
2018-02-26 05709, 2018
CatQuest
ugh
2018-02-26 05727, 2018
kepstin
hmm. so that means to switch to markdown, you'd either have to switch to storing pre-rendered messages (and render old messages during the migration), or add a flag to indicate which renderer to use for each note.
2018-02-26 05746, 2018
CatQuest
it would be cool if you could edit edit notes :D sicne thne old ones that are borko could be edited :D
2018-02-26 05700, 2018
Freso
yvanzo suggested going for the latter route previously (using timestamp rather than a new flag, but same principle).
2018-02-26 05715, 2018
Freso
CatQuest: Isn't there a ticket for that?
2018-02-26 05729, 2018
Freso feels like there is :x
2018-02-26 05703, 2018
CatQuest
would it be possible to somehow make it so that only formatting (* turned into ' s or k into K or a simple substitution of letters chngae ->change are accepted, but that wholesale removla and editing is not?)
2018-02-26 05711, 2018
CatQuest
this is the reason i thoguht we didn't allow it
2018-02-26 05719, 2018
CatQuest
but if there is.. oohh i woudl be very happy
2018-02-26 05748, 2018
Freso
Everything's possible, but that seems like a very, very tricky thing to get into.
2018-02-26 05751, 2018
CatQuest
to be able toedit edit notes. SO annoying to see a spelling mistake after copy pasting and thinking you've doen it
2018-02-26 05755, 2018
CatQuest
hmm yes
2018-02-26 05715, 2018
Freso
I'd rather have a system where you can only edit edit notes within X minutes of posting it.
2018-02-26 05726, 2018
CatQuest
btw i made am istake in the review: been editng hyperion should be "been editing hyperion"
2018-02-26 05735, 2018
Freso
Or where the complete revision history of an edit note is available.
2018-02-26 05736, 2018
CatQuest
Freso: ohh yea that might be good
2018-02-26 05706, 2018
CatQuest
5 minutes or something
2018-02-26 05708, 2018
Leo__Verto
I wonder, how hard would converting old messages to markdown really be?
2018-02-26 05736, 2018
Freso
(E.g., I'm more in the latter camp. You can still write something really vile first and then completely change it in an edit in 5 minutes, and it may be hard to track down.)
2018-02-26 05743, 2018
Leo__Verto
escape markdown control chars and convert the seven different markup commands we currently have
2018-02-26 05749, 2018
CatQuest
soem really ancient edit notes would actalyy have a differnt syntax (we coudl do wikilinking and some other things too)
2018-02-26 05754, 2018
CatQuest
omg revision history. i would. i mena i didn't suggest it becasue i thoguht perhasp i'd be said to over-ide/engineer/ it but I did think that
2018-02-26 05700, 2018
CatQuest
I'd be +10 to that
2018-02-26 05722, 2018
CatQuest
that'd be beautiful
2018-02-26 05729, 2018
Freso
Leo__Verto: Are you going to check over millions of edit notes to verify that none of them broke?
2018-02-26 05743, 2018
CatQuest
becasue thne i could *edit* my onw comemnts shoudl they be erranous formatting or something
2018-02-26 05748, 2018
Freso
(Well, I guess you could automate checking HTML output.)
2018-02-26 05724, 2018
CatQuest
annotatinos already do this so it's not such a tremendous issue, i mena if you coem across one and see it's borko yo ucna jsut, you know, fix it
2018-02-26 05744, 2018
CatQuest
i wish irc came with edits :P
2018-02-26 05752, 2018
CatQuest
i want to type beautifully dammit
2018-02-26 05702, 2018
Leo__Verto
Pretty sure Matrix is going to have that at some point :P
2018-02-26 05717, 2018
CatQuest
aw well. it's late and i need food. bye wonderful brainzers! \o
2018-02-26 05730, 2018
bukwurm_
LordSputnik: So basically, defaultAlias is the 'native' alias as mentioned in the docs, and rest are 'primary' alias.
2018-02-26 05756, 2018
Leo__Verto
Freso, I mean, are minor breakages really *that* bad? But yeah, I suppose I could select a sample of the full dump and play around with it
2018-02-26 05759, 2018
CatQuest
I am sceptical to the idea of joining the matrix
2018-02-26 05705, 2018
CatQuest
:P
2018-02-26 05727, 2018
Freso
Leo__Verto: I'd say yes, esp. if it's irreversible.
2018-02-26 05733, 2018
CatQuest
i still don't get how aliases work in BB, I mean, I have x work and it has a english title, and a norwegian title, so i add those as aliases. but for the publication I should only add the.. original? buttnhe there are the english edition and the norwegian edition and the chinese.. etc
2018-02-26 05736, 2018
CatQuest
or what?
2018-02-26 05719, 2018
CatQuest
publication shouldn't have aliases then, neither shoudl editions
