#metabrainz

Might look to your autoeditor list as a starting point to identify the right personalities.

was hoping for a few specific people here to say i'm in

actually i thikn it might be fine. since as a mentee it might be ok to have a second oppinion and other people explianing things better

CatQuest: I don't think consistency is much of an issue.

i mena ,i work well with reosarevok

as well as a few others i know are down (like Major Lurker)

rdswift: hmmmmm

my experience form gci was:

will revise my proposal and I will include some specific alpha mentors and try to get everything ready as a ready to go proposal i think would be next step

we initially wanted to do that same thing (only one at a time) sicne we didn't wanted ot "opeverwhelm" students

but it eventualy was hat peopel wanted fedbakc asap rather thna *fro mthe same person*

drsaunder: Let's try and go with that then. :)

so they were usualyl happy with other peopel taking over

CatQuest: GCI is a contest where time actually matters. This isn't.

I mean, i think it's useful to have not liek 11 person on one newbie

rdswift: does that mean you would like to volunteer?

Freso, drsaunder: i problem is that: i'm afraid that I wont be able to respond in a timpyl manner, or be left with a situation wher i simply don't kno how ot repsond. i'defintily want ot hlep out and be guiding people

for timely manner we are talking weeks not days

I casually subscribe to beginners so as to “mentor” them, but it is not easy.

I'd love to be a mentor but as I mentioned last time, I don't think I could mentor classical

CatQuest: You can always ask for help, obviously, if you don't know how to reply to something.

Anyway.

I'm not an AE, and not sure I've got enought knowledge, but I'd be willing to try if you think I could contribute.

It feels like this topic is somewhat stalling.

Freso: wel that's my exact point :)

I think having non-AE as mentors woudl also be very very beneficial

agreed.

onkay FIN for mentorship i will get back to everyone next week or the week after

agreed also

drsaunder, can you «revise my proposal and I will include some specific alpha mentors and try to get everything ready»?

(how is rdswift not an AE yet?)

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this is different than autoeditor...different skills are required

drsaunder: have a look at this article: http://communitymgt.wikia.com/wiki/Cookie_Licking

Great.

bitmap: MBS-9680 + user renames

MBS-9680: Ping other MetaBrainz projects when a user is deleted, for *Brainz-wide account removal https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9680

i mena becasue not ae's will have a better view of how to do non-autoedits liek a newbies

a kind of important concept about signing up volunteers....

hi again (going to paste some stuff:)

hi!

LordSputnik pointed out a problem with the api in MBS-9680, which is that if a user is renamed on mb, the downstream projects won't have the new name, thus can't be identified for deletion later

BookBrainz stores the editor row ids, so we can work around the problem there (by sending the row id to /delete-user). iliekcomputers says the python projects don't have the ids (and if they relog it looks like it'll just create a new account?)

3 solutions I see:

(1) be careful to hand-update user names in other projects after we rename them in mb

(2) add another endpoint to mb's sibling projects, /rename-user, that mb can ping

(3) start storing editor row ids in the python projects

thoughts? I'd like to decide what to do here so I can finalize the /delete-user api

My personal preference, in order: 3, 2, 1

https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9680 since that didn't auto link

i vote for 3

bitmap: Did you see my message about acoustid.org and there possibly being other sites too?

yeah, I did

3 is the least long term complexity, with a more drastic short term consequences.

I think it's another can of worms :)

If you do 3, you can also update the editor name each time they log in, which is what BB does

Since MeB sites are not the only ones using MB OAuth authentication.

bitmap: Sure, but if it's only acoustid.org that's using MB OAuth in the wild, we can probably coordinate with luks too.

But if there are multiple sites, it may be more cumbersome.

(3) makes MB row id the new id over MeB projects?

we can't really change what we return as the "sub" in the oauth endpoint (currently the user name), but we already include the metabrainz_user_id in the response

so it's just up to those projects to make use of that

I don't know if there's a way to look up approved/stored OAuth tokens in the db to see if sites other than acoustid.org use them?

Right, okay.

Note that the metabrainz_user_id field was only added in summer 2016

Like ruaok said, 3 seems to be the least pain long-term.

So older projects will probably use the name

it was probably a mistake to use the name as the sub, since it's suppose to be globally unique and never change

(like acoustid)

Yeah. I think Gentlecat pointed that out a long time ago, which is probably why the _user_id was added.

yep

what bitmap said

Freso: it got added for BB :)

It looks like there's agreement that #3 is the way forward?

3 sounds best to me

Or am I misreading things?

+1 (3)

I agree (3) is the ideal solution, but as ruaok said, a lot more effort in the short term

+1 for (3)

but this isn't the critical path for GDPR, so it is fine to let it run out a bit.

as long as we stay on it.

best to do it properly once and have extra work once thnaot do soem shoddy work fast that breaks things later

yep

bitmap: Sound okay to you? :)

lol when has that happened before

admittedly, it's not the most common scenario in the world for someone to rename their account and then delete it

I think...

Freso: sounds okay

i admit, I'm surprised it seems everyoen agrees

lets do it right, regardless.

Alright. Let's move on then.

drsaunder: never ever

go us!

ruaok: gendered speech now, or should we do t-shirts and have more time for speech next week?

bitmap: make a ticket about pestering python projects and assign to me please.

!m us

You're doing good work, us!

I'll do the pestering

ruaok: okay

t-shirts. speech next week

Alright.

speech speech speech!

sorry :P

5 minutes?

oh we made it

tshirt link: https://imgur.com/a/wd5adc1

chhavi_: If you think there's enough time. Otherwise we'll do it next week too. :)

Link to updated artwork for summit tshirts :D

Oh wow, unicorn of love

The idea is to upload this to redbubble on our shop. And we can order a bunch for the summit from there :)

(y)

So people can get the colour they want? Nice.

well done

chhavi_: I guess this is just an announcement then, no voting? :)

black one \o/

!m chhavi_ and sister-whom-I-forgot-nick-of

You're doing good work, chhavi_ and sister-whom-I-forgot-nick-of!

lli

erh loi

And maybe cups this time, like we had pillows?

wait chhavisister has a nick?

:O pillows

:o cups

Freso: open to feedback on artwork, color and other goodies :)

holy shit burgundy!

woow, purple 8)

yvanzo: +1

i do too, they're pretty awesome

an on-gendered speech. <3

non

yep. done here. Ping for any feedback later, we have a month or two before we order them anyways :)

Alright.

Thanks for your time everyone!

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Snap

today's meeting was fun

:D

drsaunder: sorry, missed that bit but I'm in :)

wel i want ot work wit reosarevok (sorry reo :P)

You're going to mentor me?

I mean work with mentioring alongside you, remember how we did gci

but i'd like, pull my weight this time :DDD

(or maybe not :D)

ok I will.