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pristine__
should work now.
2020-01-28 02817, 2020
9:31 AM
CatQuest
my own first name is *techniclaly* Finnish. since my mother named me for a Finn she thought was a good person (sigh.) but I would feel really do about putting "Finnish" as my names language
2020-01-28 02825, 2020
9:31 AM
CatQuest
also my father was swedish so my last name is swedish
2020-01-28 02834, 2020
9:31 AM
CatQuest
i a not a finno-sweede!
2020-01-28 02858, 2020
9:31 AM
pristine__
2020-01-28 02831, 2020
9:32 AM
CatQuest
Mr_Monkey: should i create a ticet for the ticketbox expetion idea?
2020-01-28 02832, 2020
9:32 AM
CatQuest
:D
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CatQuest
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9:34 AM
Mr_Monkey
CatQuest: Language of name is not "what's the origin of the name", it's "what's that person's name in that language"
2020-01-28 02825, 2020
9:34 AM
CatQuest
our search is.. completely off the wack
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CatQuest
people don't usualyl have differnt names in differnt languages. they oftne have differnt names in differnt *scripts*
2020-01-28 02810, 2020
9:35 AM
CatQuest
exeption: russian and uguay and such composers and writiers
2020-01-28 02823, 2020
9:35 AM
Mr_Monkey
Yeah, That. I think it was just put together that way in BB
2020-01-28 02830, 2020
9:35 AM
Mr_Monkey
Because 'script' is confusing
2020-01-28 02844, 2020
9:35 AM
CatQuest
honestly? i'd prefer if we used "script"
2020-01-28 02854, 2020
9:35 AM
CatQuest
in books this is way. way. way. WAY more logical
2020-01-28 02805, 2020
9:36 AM
CatQuest
i wouldn'tm idn filling in "latin" for alla the latin names
2020-01-28 02818, 2020
9:36 AM
CatQuest
and then "eng" for alla the languages
2020-01-28 02833, 2020
9:36 AM
CatQuest
that would make so. much more sense
2020-01-28 02849, 2020
9:36 AM
Mr_Monkey
I think 'language' is a lot more intuitive for a new user
2020-01-28 02807, 2020
9:37 AM
CatQuest
and we need to make sure that things are actulal right. not "dumb it down" for "new users"
2020-01-28 02822, 2020
9:37 AM
CatQuest
instead we explain why things are the way it is so "new users" cna understand
2020-01-28 02851, 2020
9:37 AM
CatQuest
*especially* the sort of users we need ot first build up our BB userbase with
2020-01-28 02806, 2020
9:38 AM
Mr_Monkey
Well, as you mentionned, it's not always only script, so script is not correct either
2020-01-28 02828, 2020
9:38 AM
CatQuest
"language" is intuitive to a "drive by i'm adding a book2 suer "script" is intuitive to "Im going to add my 300+books to this database"
2020-01-28 02831, 2020
9:38 AM
CatQuest
we need both
2020-01-28 02858, 2020
9:38 AM
CatQuest
hmm
2020-01-28 02807, 2020
9:39 AM
CatQuest
script *is* books
2020-01-28 02821, 2020
9:39 AM
CatQuest
as is language.
2020-01-28 02836, 2020
9:39 AM
CatQuest
we honestly shoudl ahve "language + script" boxes
2020-01-28 02842, 2020
9:39 AM
CatQuest
with "commonly used combinations"
2020-01-28 02852, 2020
9:39 AM
CatQuest
so if you chose "englsih" it autofils latin
2020-01-28 02826, 2020
9:40 AM
Mr_Monkey
That seems a lot more complicated than just having language options. I'm not sure what we gain by having them separate
2020-01-28 02827, 2020
9:40 AM
CatQuest
combined with that "if title != rest of book" checkbox for exeption
2020-01-28 02837, 2020
9:40 AM
CatQuest
we gain clarity and logic
2020-01-28 02848, 2020
9:40 AM
Mr_Monkey
I don't think we gain clarity, on the contrary
2020-01-28 02853, 2020
9:40 AM
CatQuest
hm
2020-01-28 02836, 2020
9:41 AM
CatQuest
I think it's a lot more interesting to know that x title is writen in latin or say, cyrillic than in "english, polish or russian bulgarian"
2020-01-28 02839, 2020
9:41 AM
CatQuest
both are useful
2020-01-28 02845, 2020
9:41 AM
Mr_Monkey
Think about the use cases: I'm likely to be looking for a book in russian, or a russian name, not for a book in cyrillic regardless of the language
2020-01-28 02846, 2020
9:41 AM
CatQuest
soem languages can be written in either script
2020-01-28 02805, 2020
9:42 AM
CatQuest
I'm thinking cheifly of alaises also here but ok
2020-01-28 02835, 2020
9:42 AM
CatQuest
anyway. can't this also be autofilled in by wikidata link?
2020-01-28 02841, 2020
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CatQuest
bu i should add a ticket for this one chek-box thing maybe
2020-01-28 02813, 2020
9:44 AM
CatQuest
atleast
2020-01-28 02821, 2020
9:44 AM
CatQuest
or no?
2020-01-28 02845, 2020
9:44 AM
CatQuest
hmm
2020-01-28 02847, 2020
9:44 AM
Mr_Monkey
Yes
2020-01-28 02850, 2020
9:44 AM
CatQuest
oh one other thing:
2020-01-28 02821, 2020
9:45 AM
CatQuest
since we have llanguage set in the work entity. and that each langauge is it's own work (translated) why does the edition *also* need "language" set?
2020-01-28 02857, 2020
9:45 AM
CatQuest
it seems like duplciation of data (whih can be potentially error proned if peopel fill in wrong things)
2020-01-28 02849, 2020
9:46 AM
Mr_Monkey
Wikidata is a good example: they show languages of an entry's name, not scripts
2020-01-28 02856, 2020
9:46 AM
CatQuest
yea yea alright
2020-01-28 02804, 2020
9:47 AM
CatQuest
but i'm interested in sripts!
2020-01-28 02810, 2020
9:47 AM
CatQuest
oh but oh
2020-01-28 02815, 2020
9:47 AM
Mr_Monkey
I think you're absolutely correct about duplication of language date though
2020-01-28 02815, 2020
9:47 AM
CatQuest
do we have "braille" ?
2020-01-28 02821, 2020
9:47 AM
CatQuest
there are books in braille
2020-01-28 02857, 2020
9:47 AM
CatQuest
also books that teach you hand hand signing
2020-01-28 02809, 2020
9:48 AM
Mr_Monkey
True. That's missing
2020-01-28 02812, 2020
9:48 AM
CatQuest
:D
2020-01-28 02826, 2020
9:48 AM
CatQuest
there are also severla variants (languages) of that. each area has its own
2020-01-28 02836, 2020
9:48 AM
Mr_Monkey
There's a lot of sign languages in there
2020-01-28 02836, 2020
9:48 AM
CatQuest
asl is differnt thna nsl for instance
2020-01-28 02845, 2020
9:48 AM
CatQuest
we probably need thme all, honestly
2020-01-28 02815, 2020
9:49 AM
Mr_Monkey
That list of languages is taken from MB (not up-to-date, but…)
2020-01-28 02818, 2020
9:49 AM
CatQuest
one of the things i wanted to do was re-borrow those kiddie sign language boosk i read as a kid. to refresh my memory and also add thme to bb
2020-01-28 02830, 2020
9:49 AM
CatQuest
sign langauge and braile is.. unsual for msuci releases
2020-01-28 02833, 2020
9:49 AM
CatQuest
well braille not
2020-01-28 02836, 2020
9:49 AM
CatQuest
but sign language?
2020-01-28 02843, 2020
9:49 AM
CatQuest
does that evne come in unicode?
2020-01-28 02823, 2020
9:50 AM
Mr_Monkey
Honestly, braille is the one good example for the need for 'script'
2020-01-28 02834, 2020
9:50 AM
Mr_Monkey
On the…Edition level?
2020-01-28 02820, 2020
9:51 AM
CatQuest
.. yes?
2020-01-28 02803, 2020
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CatQuest
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9:53 AM
BrainzBot
BB-399: Simplify the language selector for entities. add expection ticket/flag
2020-01-28 02815, 2020
9:53 AM
CatQuest
maybe it wasn't a horrible title for once either :D
2020-01-28 02839, 2020
9:53 AM
Mr_Monkey
Thanks
2020-01-28 02851, 2020
9:53 AM
CatQuest
shoudl i add a ticket for braille and sign languages? say yes and 'ill do it now
2020-01-28 02837, 2020
9:54 AM
Mr_Monkey
Yes please ! :)
2020-01-28 02850, 2020
9:56 AM
CatQuest
2020-01-28 02851, 2020
9:56 AM
BrainzBot
BB-400: Include Braille and Sign languages in choosable BB languages
2020-01-28 02802, 2020
9:57 AM
Mr_Monkey
👍
2020-01-28 02807, 2020
9:57 AM
CatQuest
🎉 400!
2020-01-28 02831, 2020
9:57 AM
CatQuest
I'm going ot go bkc ot adding this book+work now :D
2020-01-28 02855, 2020
9:57 AM
CatQuest
sorry for the badly written ticet texts
2020-01-28 02811, 2020
9:58 AM
CatQuest
(this is also why i want ot discus with you first. so that you understand wtf i'm trying ot say :D)
2020-01-28 02827, 2020
9:58 AM
CatQuest
(and can come with counterpoints. eg "scripts" discussion we jsut had)
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CatQuest
hi Freso 👋
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CatQuest
Mr_Monkey: hm so if i create relations on a new entity before I give it a name. it says "new entity is blah blah [thing i linked it to]" like "new entity is a translation of The Talisman"
2020-01-28 02814, 2020
11:28 AM
CatQuest
but if i thne *go give it a name*
2020-01-28 02835, 2020
11:28 AM
CatQuest
then the How are other entities related to this Work? sectino *still* lists everything as "new entity is so and such"
2020-01-28 02838, 2020
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CatQuest
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CatQuest
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Mr_Monkey
Tickets please ! :)
2020-01-28 02847, 2020
11:30 AM
Mr_Monkey
I'm aware at least of the first one, and had a go a fixing it a month back. It's a bit of a PITA
2020-01-28 02852, 2020
11:30 AM
Mr_Monkey
But fixable.
2020-01-28 02806, 2020
11:36 AM
CatQuest
sure thing!
2020-01-28 02811, 2020
11:36 AM
CatQuest
let me jsut finish adding this thing
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11:37 AM
CatQuest
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11:38 AM
Mr_Monkey
Nice. Is the correct type missing too?
2020-01-28 02840, 2020
11:38 AM
CatQuest
i honestly don't know
2020-01-28 02851, 2020
11:38 AM
CatQuest
i know that the norwegian book is a.. "roman" and not a "novelle"
2020-01-28 02822, 2020
11:39 AM
CatQuest
I leave it out becasue i don't know
2020-01-28 02831, 2020
11:39 AM
CatQuest
better it be filled out by peopel wh oknow
2020-01-28 02801, 2020
11:41 AM
CatQuest
can an edition have several publishers? the next book is one which has two ISBN and one is attached to.. a bookclub
2020-01-28 02814, 2020
11:46 AM
Mr_Monkey
Huh. Never seen that! Well, the Edition will have a main publisher, but you can also add a relationship with the other publisher
2020-01-28 02819, 2020
11:46 AM
ruaok
11 hours of sleep is glorious.
2020-01-28 02821, 2020
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ruaok
mooin!
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zas
moooin!
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Freso
bitmap: Thanks! Do I do that after the `pg_upgrade` has failed then? (I guess so? Because before that, there is no musicbrainz_db to connect to…)
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Freso
CatQuest: I’ve been planning to make such a bot since forever. (re: "wat if there was a bot, or a botplugin that automatically submitted every link posted here (or in #musicbrainz) to the IA?")
2020-01-28 02813, 2020
11:56 AM
Freso
Esp. with the new Wayback Machine API.
2020-01-28 02858, 2020
11:57 AM
shivam-kapila
pristine__: Thanks. I will test this. I was also thinking of updating `Hacking.md`
2020-01-28 02820, 2020
11:58 AM
Freso
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11:58 AM
shivam-kapila
Also the `all-changes-mapping` branch was missing spark configuration in `develop.sh`. I have updated all of these in sync with `master` branch. The branch also missed the `import_dumps.py` file. Should I update these too?
2020-01-28 02858, 2020
11:58 AM
shivam-kapila
pristine__: ^
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iliekcomputers
Why do we have the all-changes-mapping branch?
2020-01-28 02822, 2020
12:12 PM
ruaok
it is a roll up branch. we wanted to merge the work-without-tests so pristine__ could write tests, but not yet commit to master.
2020-01-28 02843, 2020
12:12 PM
ruaok
as per our new rule of not committing things ready to merge to master
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pristine__
shivam-kapila: no
2020-01-28 02830, 2020
12:30 PM
pristine__
I have removed import_dumps from that branch.
2020-01-28 02801, 2020
12:32 PM
pristine__
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pristine__
After that I will merge all-changes-mapping to master
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ruaok
no, I haven't, because I haven't had a chance to start LB work yet.
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12:37 PM
ruaok
remember, I have about half dozen project (areas) I'm moving forward at any one time.
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12:43 PM
reosarevok
Did we just contact digitalhost's support team?
2020-01-28 02846, 2020
12:43 PM
reosarevok
Oh, nvm, it's an auto-reply to "please verify your email", lol
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ruaok
reosarevok: I did not.
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ishaanshah[m]
iliekcomputers: Hi, did you have a look at the updated PR
