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      • pristine__
        should work now.
      • 2020-01-28 02817, 2020

      • CatQuest
        my own first name is *techniclaly* Finnish. since my mother named me for a Finn she thought was a good person (sigh.) but I would feel really do about putting "Finnish" as my names language
      • 2020-01-28 02825, 2020

      • CatQuest
        also my father was swedish so my last name is swedish
      • 2020-01-28 02834, 2020

      • CatQuest
        i a not a finno-sweede!
      • 2020-01-28 02858, 2020

      • pristine__
        shivam-kapila: Also if it works for you, can you update https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-server….
      • 2020-01-28 02831, 2020

      • CatQuest
        Mr_Monkey: should i create a ticet for the ticketbox expetion idea?
      • 2020-01-28 02832, 2020

      • CatQuest
        :D
      • 2020-01-28 02817, 2020

      • CatQuest
      • 2020-01-28 02822, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        CatQuest: Language of name is not "what's the origin of the name", it's "what's that person's name in that language"
      • 2020-01-28 02825, 2020

      • CatQuest
        our search is.. completely off the wack
      • 2020-01-28 02826, 2020

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      • CatQuest
        people don't usualyl have differnt names in differnt languages. they oftne have differnt names in differnt *scripts*
      • 2020-01-28 02810, 2020

      • CatQuest
        exeption: russian and uguay and such composers and writiers
      • 2020-01-28 02823, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Yeah, That. I think it was just put together that way in BB
      • 2020-01-28 02830, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Because 'script' is confusing
      • 2020-01-28 02844, 2020

      • CatQuest
        honestly? i'd prefer if we used "script"
      • 2020-01-28 02854, 2020

      • CatQuest
        in books this is way. way. way. WAY more logical
      • 2020-01-28 02805, 2020

      • CatQuest
        i wouldn'tm idn filling in "latin" for alla the latin names
      • 2020-01-28 02818, 2020

      • CatQuest
        and then "eng" for alla the languages
      • 2020-01-28 02833, 2020

      • CatQuest
        that would make so. much more sense
      • 2020-01-28 02849, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        I think 'language' is a lot more intuitive for a new user
      • 2020-01-28 02807, 2020

      • CatQuest
        and we need to make sure that things are actulal right. not "dumb it down" for "new users"
      • 2020-01-28 02822, 2020

      • CatQuest
        instead we explain why things are the way it is so "new users" cna understand
      • 2020-01-28 02851, 2020

      • CatQuest
        *especially* the sort of users we need ot first build up our BB userbase with
      • 2020-01-28 02806, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Well, as you mentionned, it's not always only script, so script is not correct either
      • 2020-01-28 02828, 2020

      • CatQuest
        "language" is intuitive to a "drive by i'm adding a book2 suer "script" is intuitive to "Im going to add my 300+books to this database"
      • 2020-01-28 02831, 2020

      • CatQuest
        we need both
      • 2020-01-28 02858, 2020

      • CatQuest
        hmm
      • 2020-01-28 02807, 2020

      • CatQuest
        script *is* books
      • 2020-01-28 02821, 2020

      • CatQuest
        as is language.
      • 2020-01-28 02836, 2020

      • CatQuest
        we honestly shoudl ahve "language + script" boxes
      • 2020-01-28 02842, 2020

      • CatQuest
        with "commonly used combinations"
      • 2020-01-28 02852, 2020

      • CatQuest
        so if you chose "englsih" it autofils latin
      • 2020-01-28 02826, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        That seems a lot more complicated than just having language options. I'm not sure what we gain by having them separate
      • 2020-01-28 02827, 2020

      • CatQuest
        combined with that "if title != rest of book" checkbox for exeption
      • 2020-01-28 02837, 2020

      • CatQuest
        we gain clarity and logic
      • 2020-01-28 02848, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        I don't think we gain clarity, on the contrary
      • 2020-01-28 02853, 2020

      • CatQuest
        hm
      • 2020-01-28 02836, 2020

      • CatQuest
        I think it's a lot more interesting to know that x title is writen in latin or say, cyrillic than in "english, polish or russian bulgarian"
      • 2020-01-28 02839, 2020

      • CatQuest
        both are useful
      • 2020-01-28 02845, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Think about the use cases: I'm likely to be looking for a book in russian, or a russian name, not for a book in cyrillic regardless of the language
      • 2020-01-28 02846, 2020

      • CatQuest
        soem languages can be written in either script
      • 2020-01-28 02805, 2020

      • CatQuest
        I'm thinking cheifly of alaises also here but ok
      • 2020-01-28 02835, 2020

      • CatQuest
        anyway. can't this also be autofilled in by wikidata link?
      • 2020-01-28 02841, 2020

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      • CatQuest
        bu i should add a ticket for this one chek-box thing maybe
      • 2020-01-28 02813, 2020

      • CatQuest
        atleast
      • 2020-01-28 02821, 2020

      • CatQuest
        or no?
      • 2020-01-28 02845, 2020

      • CatQuest
        hmm
      • 2020-01-28 02847, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Yes
      • 2020-01-28 02850, 2020

      • CatQuest
        oh one other thing:
      • 2020-01-28 02821, 2020

      • CatQuest
        since we have llanguage set in the work entity. and that each langauge is it's own work (translated) why does the edition *also* need "language" set?
      • 2020-01-28 02857, 2020

      • CatQuest
        it seems like duplciation of data (whih can be potentially error proned if peopel fill in wrong things)
      • 2020-01-28 02849, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Wikidata is a good example: they show languages of an entry's name, not scripts
      • 2020-01-28 02856, 2020

      • CatQuest
        yea yea alright
      • 2020-01-28 02804, 2020

      • CatQuest
        but i'm interested in sripts!
      • 2020-01-28 02810, 2020

      • CatQuest
        oh but oh
      • 2020-01-28 02815, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        I think you're absolutely correct about duplication of language date though
      • 2020-01-28 02815, 2020

      • CatQuest
        do we have "braille" ?
      • 2020-01-28 02821, 2020

      • CatQuest
        there are books in braille
      • 2020-01-28 02857, 2020

      • CatQuest
        also books that teach you hand hand signing
      • 2020-01-28 02809, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        True. That's missing
      • 2020-01-28 02812, 2020

      • CatQuest
        :D
      • 2020-01-28 02826, 2020

      • CatQuest
        there are also severla variants (languages) of that. each area has its own
      • 2020-01-28 02836, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        There's a lot of sign languages in there
      • 2020-01-28 02836, 2020

      • CatQuest
        asl is differnt thna nsl for instance
      • 2020-01-28 02845, 2020

      • CatQuest
        we probably need thme all, honestly
      • 2020-01-28 02815, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        That list of languages is taken from MB (not up-to-date, but…)
      • 2020-01-28 02818, 2020

      • CatQuest
        one of the things i wanted to do was re-borrow those kiddie sign language boosk i read as a kid. to refresh my memory and also add thme to bb
      • 2020-01-28 02830, 2020

      • CatQuest
        sign langauge and braile is.. unsual for msuci releases
      • 2020-01-28 02833, 2020

      • CatQuest
        well braille not
      • 2020-01-28 02836, 2020

      • CatQuest
        but sign language?
      • 2020-01-28 02843, 2020

      • CatQuest
        does that evne come in unicode?
      • 2020-01-28 02823, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Honestly, braille is the one good example for the need for 'script'
      • 2020-01-28 02834, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        On the…Edition level?
      • 2020-01-28 02820, 2020

      • CatQuest
        .. yes?
      • 2020-01-28 02803, 2020

      • CatQuest
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      • BrainzBot
        BB-399: Simplify the language selector for entities. add expection ticket/flag
      • 2020-01-28 02815, 2020

      • CatQuest
        maybe it wasn't a horrible title for once either :D
      • 2020-01-28 02839, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Thanks
      • 2020-01-28 02851, 2020

      • CatQuest
        shoudl i add a ticket for braille and sign languages? say yes and 'ill do it now
      • 2020-01-28 02837, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Yes please ! :)
      • 2020-01-28 02850, 2020

      • CatQuest
      • 2020-01-28 02851, 2020

      • BrainzBot
        BB-400: Include Braille and Sign languages in choosable BB languages
      • 2020-01-28 02802, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        👍
      • 2020-01-28 02807, 2020

      • CatQuest
        🎉 400!
      • 2020-01-28 02831, 2020

      • CatQuest
        I'm going ot go bkc ot adding this book+work now :D
      • 2020-01-28 02855, 2020

      • CatQuest
        sorry for the badly written ticet texts
      • 2020-01-28 02811, 2020

      • CatQuest
        (this is also why i want ot discus with you first. so that you understand wtf i'm trying ot say :D)
      • 2020-01-28 02827, 2020

      • CatQuest
        (and can come with counterpoints. eg "scripts" discussion we jsut had)
      • 2020-01-28 02801, 2020

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      • CatQuest
        hi Freso 👋
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      • BrainzGit
        [listenbrainz-server] vansika opened pull request #712 (master…format-namenonde): format namenode and datanode together https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-server…
      • 2020-01-28 02843, 2020

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      • CatQuest
        Mr_Monkey: hm so if i create relations on a new entity before I give it a name. it says "new entity is blah blah [thing i linked it to]" like "new entity is a translation of The Talisman"
      • 2020-01-28 02814, 2020

      • CatQuest
        but if i thne *go give it a name*
      • 2020-01-28 02835, 2020

      • CatQuest
        then the How are other entities related to this Work? sectino *still* lists everything as "new entity is so and such"
      • 2020-01-28 02838, 2020

      • CatQuest
        also, if you paste an url, for example https://bookbrainz.org/work/1fcd1cdb-3bc2-47cd-90…
      • 2020-01-28 02807, 2020

      • CatQuest
        it doesn't actually link the new entity, only if you remove the https://bookbrainz.org/work/ part
      • 2020-01-28 02820, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Tickets please ! :)
      • 2020-01-28 02847, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        I'm aware at least of the first one, and had a go a fixing it a month back. It's a bit of a PITA
      • 2020-01-28 02852, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        But fixable.
      • 2020-01-28 02806, 2020

      • CatQuest
        sure thing!
      • 2020-01-28 02811, 2020

      • CatQuest
        let me jsut finish adding this thing
      • 2020-01-28 02839, 2020

      • CatQuest
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      • Mr_Monkey
        Nice. Is the correct type missing too?
      • 2020-01-28 02840, 2020

      • CatQuest
        i honestly don't know
      • 2020-01-28 02851, 2020

      • CatQuest
        i know that the norwegian book is a.. "roman" and not a "novelle"
      • 2020-01-28 02822, 2020

      • CatQuest
        I leave it out becasue i don't know
      • 2020-01-28 02831, 2020

      • CatQuest
        better it be filled out by peopel wh oknow
      • 2020-01-28 02801, 2020

      • CatQuest
        can an edition have several publishers? the next book is one which has two ISBN and one is attached to.. a bookclub
      • 2020-01-28 02814, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        Huh. Never seen that! Well, the Edition will have a main publisher, but you can also add a relationship with the other publisher
      • 2020-01-28 02819, 2020

      • ruaok
        11 hours of sleep is glorious.
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      • ruaok
        mooin!
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      • zas
        moooin!
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      • Freso
        bitmap: Thanks! Do I do that after the `pg_upgrade` has failed then? (I guess so? Because before that, there is no musicbrainz_db to connect to…)
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      • Freso
        CatQuest: I’ve been planning to make such a bot since forever. (re: "wat if there was a bot, or a botplugin that automatically submitted every link posted here (or in #musicbrainz) to the IA?")
      • 2020-01-28 02813, 2020

      • Freso
        Esp. with the new Wayback Machine API.
      • 2020-01-28 02858, 2020

      • shivam-kapila
        pristine__: Thanks. I will test this. I was also thinking of updating `Hacking.md`
      • 2020-01-28 02820, 2020

      • Freso
        CatQuest: re: different names in different languages, see legal name aliases for https://musicbrainz.org/artist/d112e7ac-3811-4773… :)
      • 2020-01-28 02833, 2020

      • shivam-kapila
        Also the `all-changes-mapping` branch was missing spark configuration in `develop.sh`. I have updated all of these in sync with `master` branch. The branch also missed the `import_dumps.py` file. Should I update these too?
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      • shivam-kapila
        pristine__: ^
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      • BrainzGit
        [sir] yvanzo opened pull request #110 (master…modern-stage1): Modernize Python 2 code and update dependencies https://github.com/metabrainz/sir/pull/110
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      • iliekcomputers
        Why do we have the all-changes-mapping branch?
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      • ruaok
        it is a roll up branch. we wanted to merge the work-without-tests so pristine__ could write tests, but not yet commit to master.
      • 2020-01-28 02843, 2020

      • ruaok
        as per our new rule of not committing things ready to merge to master
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      • pristine__
        shivam-kapila: no
      • 2020-01-28 02830, 2020

      • pristine__
        I have removed import_dumps from that branch.
      • 2020-01-28 02801, 2020

      • pristine__
        ruaok: did you get the chance to see https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-server…
      • 2020-01-28 02823, 2020

      • pristine__
        After that I will merge all-changes-mapping to master
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      • ruaok
        no, I haven't, because I haven't had a chance to start LB work yet.
      • 2020-01-28 02853, 2020

      • ruaok
        remember, I have about half dozen project (areas) I'm moving forward at any one time.
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      • reosarevok
        Did we just contact digitalhost's support team?
      • 2020-01-28 02846, 2020

      • reosarevok
        Oh, nvm, it's an auto-reply to "please verify your email", lol
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      • ruaok
        reosarevok: I did not.
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      • ishaanshah[m]
        iliekcomputers: Hi, did you have a look at the updated PR