Maybe give them a warning mail to change email if its allowed
2020-05-18 13918, 2020
Freso
I’d wager that anyone with the ability to set up an MB bot would also be able to make an e-mail/forwarding e-mail to use for it.
2020-05-18 13920, 2020
yvanzo
I don’t think we should block it, but just disallow it in user policy, and have automated checks.
2020-05-18 13924, 2020
alastairp
Freso: yeah, that
2020-05-18 13931, 2020
Freso
alastairp: That’s my experience so far.
2020-05-18 13948, 2020
reosarevok
yvanzo: my other idea was to allow it, but email the account admins every time someone registers an account with an already used email
2020-05-18 13949, 2020
pristine__
Hey
2020-05-18 13954, 2020
reosarevok
To check for sockpuppetry etc
2020-05-18 13954, 2020
pristine__
Is the meeting over?
2020-05-18 13908, 2020
alastairp
reosarevok: sounds like a lot of work for one poor person
2020-05-18 13909, 2020
reosarevok
But seeing there's 20k, I'm not sure whether that wouldn't be too crazy an amount of emails :/
2020-05-18 13915, 2020
pristine__
There was some intern problem here
2020-05-18 13919, 2020
pristine__
Internet*
2020-05-18 13925, 2020
yvanzo
+1 alastairp
2020-05-18 13933, 2020
Freso
Re: b) Existing accounts. I expect an amount of these to be spammers/sockpuppets that we haven’t discovered yet. Hopefully we’ll get more tools to invesitgate these as SpamBrainz develops.
2020-05-18 13935, 2020
alastairp
my feeling is that preventing it from now-on is a reasonable solution
2020-05-18 13940, 2020
Freso
For now, I’d say grandfather them in.
2020-05-18 13949, 2020
Freso
We can review later.
2020-05-18 13949, 2020
ruaok
+1
2020-05-18 13906, 2020
alastairp
it does mean that you can't do stuff like a unique constraint to force it, but maybe if we delete sockpuppets we'll end up with only a small amount of accounts (??!?)
2020-05-18 13920, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Regarding b) Can we send an email asked for confirmation that the account is active, and block all but one account otherwise?
2020-05-18 13922, 2020
Freso
alastairp: That was what I was trying to get at. :p
2020-05-18 13928, 2020
reosarevok
Ok. So for bots, ask them to mail us and we can change their email, for anything else, just block it, for existing ones, just let them be?
2020-05-18 13948, 2020
Freso
alastairp: If it turns out to be ~10 legit e-mails that share >1 account, we can probably figure something out.
2020-05-18 13910, 2020
reosarevok
Does everyone agree with that course of action?
2020-05-18 13913, 2020
Freso
reosarevok: And ignore +-mails for now.
2020-05-18 13919, 2020
Freso
But yes, I agree with that. +1
2020-05-18 13924, 2020
ruaok
+1
2020-05-18 13927, 2020
alastairp
it sounds like most people are generally in agreement with this, and implementation details can be worked out outside-of-meeting
2020-05-18 13928, 2020
alastairp
+1
2020-05-18 13930, 2020
reosarevok
bitmap, yvanzo ?
2020-05-18 13933, 2020
zas
+1
2020-05-18 13942, 2020
yvanzo
not really convinced yet
2020-05-18 13951, 2020
reosarevok
yvanzo: what would be your alternative?
2020-05-18 13903, 2020
reosarevok
(if you don't have it yet we can talk about it later :) )
2020-05-18 13906, 2020
yvanzo
there are too many details to be discussed for a decision here
2020-05-18 13918, 2020
Freso
Notification e-mail to mb-account-admin when a duplicate e-mail is used?
2020-05-18 13923, 2020
bitmap
I'm fine with leaving existing ones + blocking new ones, I think
2020-05-18 13933, 2020
reosarevok
yvanzo: you can comment on the ticket, which is...
MBS-10835: Disallow creating new accounts with an e-mail already in use
2020-05-18 13944, 2020
bitmap
we could also have an admin page that shows accounts with dupe emails and/or show "linked" accounts on their user page
2020-05-18 13959, 2020
reosarevok
(I guess after this pristine__ can quickly give her review? :) )
2020-05-18 13921, 2020
Freso
I’d be happy both with outright blocking but also with tools (mail notifications, "report" page) showing the information.
2020-05-18 13931, 2020
reosarevok
I'll leave a note on the ticket saying most people liked that blocking option but that we're not fully decided yet
2020-05-18 13941, 2020
reosarevok
And then let's see what yvanzo and others come up with :)
2020-05-18 13910, 2020
Freso
Please just don’t let this wait for SpamBrainz. It is needed (much) sooner.
2020-05-18 13926, 2020
reosarevok
Yeah, I'd like to have a decision by next meeting
2020-05-18 13930, 2020
yvanzo
We can take action against existing sockpuppets much sooner.
2020-05-18 13932, 2020
bitmap
though I wonder if people are just going to create sockpuppets anyway and this makes the lazy ones easy to find
2020-05-18 13935, 2020
Freso
I don’t care how hacky a (temporary) solution is, as long as it’s working.
2020-05-18 13958, 2020
Freso
bitmap: Some of the sockpuppets I’ve dealt with have used new mails for every account already.
2020-05-18 13907, 2020
Freso
So yeah, it won’t help for all of them.
2020-05-18 13918, 2020
Freso
But it’ll help with some, which is better than what we have now…
2020-05-18 13915, 2020
Freso
Anyway, I think reosarevok’s resolution is correct, so let’s touch base on this maybe next week again.
2020-05-18 13934, 2020
Freso
So pristine__, want to give a quick review before we wrap up the meting?
2020-05-18 13953, 2020
reosarevok
rdswift: I certainly wouldn't want all but the oldest to be disabled for my own case, that seems to have 3 edits :D
2020-05-18 13909, 2020
Freso
I guess no pristine__ review.
2020-05-18 13914, 2020
Freso
Alright.
2020-05-18 13924, 2020
Freso
Thank you everyone for your time!
2020-05-18 13926, 2020
Freso
</BANG>
2020-05-18 13930, 2020
yvanzo
Thanks Freso!
2020-05-18 13957, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Thanks Freso
2020-05-18 13915, 2020
alastairp
jmp_music: if you want to be included in the weekly meetings, tell Freso and he will add you to his list. then someone can call on you as we go through the reviews
hi ruaok, I want to setup Firebase TestLab in conjunction to the CI. It allows the app to be tested on actual devices. It requires to set up a GCP with billing enabled. I only intend to use the free quota. Can you setup a google cloud project with editor access for me?
2020-05-18 13905, 2020
diru1100
Freso: kindly add to me to regular list, will be joining in every upcoming meeting.
I have the db setup on my end, just playing with the data, it would be enough to show me the query on github, find it a bit tricky to search for since I'm not that versed in perl
2020-05-18 13903, 2020
ruaok
Mr_Monkey: did you upgrade any BB parts?
2020-05-18 13913, 2020
ruaok
I just restarted everything and it just worked. all of it.
2020-05-18 13923, 2020
ruaok
ok, off a walk!
2020-05-18 13930, 2020
ruaok
thanks for the productive and fun day, team!
2020-05-18 13957, 2020
olafurw
I think I found the inverse, if I have a recording, in what release group it appears on, sub appears_on in Data/Recording.pm
