#metabrainz

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      • reosarevok
        btw
      • 2020-10-04 27840, 2020

      • reosarevok
        Does anyone know of a good library for interactive maps on a small scale?
      • 2020-10-04 27858, 2020

      • reosarevok
        I was wondering about a nice way of present what berry bush is where in the local community garden :D
      • 2020-10-04 27826, 2020

      • alastairp
        draw a picture of the garden and put a x on it
      • 2020-10-04 27831, 2020

      • CatQuest
        yes
      • 2020-10-04 27836, 2020

      • alastairp
        good question though
      • 2020-10-04 27820, 2020

      • yvanzo
        Mr_Monkey, alastairp: does lobes topic somehow relates to design-system?
      • 2020-10-04 27852, 2020

      • alastairp
        yvanzo: I don't think so. I'm not sure there is any clear value in integration the design system for MB/other things at the moment
      • 2020-10-04 27814, 2020

      • alastairp
        maybe it's a good idea? but I was just interested in proposing that we upgrade from bs3 to bs5
      • 2020-10-04 27830, 2020

      • yvanzo
        alright, still interested to learn more about lobes, will follow :)
      • 2020-10-04 27830, 2020

      • bitmap
        right now design-system is mostly just "bootstrap + some minor css tweaks for MB"
      • 2020-10-04 27852, 2020

      • bitmap
        it has other cool stuff like a storyboard setup for developing/testing components, but it's not used by any project atm
      • 2020-10-04 27856, 2020

      • alastairp
        OK, let's bring this up during the discussion as well
      • 2020-10-04 27838, 2020

      • CatQuest
        the cool thing about the cleenups was the stats that ojnkpjg did once
      • 2020-10-04 27849, 2020

      • CatQuest
        i love this idea
      • 2020-10-04 27844, 2020

      • CatQuest
        I think it's important to have stats, and people seeing actually change
      • 2020-10-04 27824, 2020

      • ruaok
        Food is taking longer than expected
      • 2020-10-04 27837, 2020

      • ruaok
        (but it was worthwhile)
      • 2020-10-04 27847, 2020

      • _lucifer
        we started with classical cleanup meanwhile :)
      • 2020-10-04 27849, 2020

      • ruaok
        Making moves to return of office asap.
      • 2020-10-04 27856, 2020

      • ruaok
        Perfect!
      • 2020-10-04 27856, 2020

      • Freso
        ruaok: Yeah. We’re starting with community cleanup discussion which we figured you and Monkey wouldn’t be (as) needed for. :)
      • 2020-10-04 27844, 2020

      • CatQuest
        link pls
      • 2020-10-04 27812, 2020

      • Freso
      • 2020-10-04 27815, 2020

      • CatQuest
        (to that ticket, want to vote/follow)
      • 2020-10-04 27823, 2020

      • Freso
        Oh
      • 2020-10-04 27825, 2020

      • Freso
        :p
      • 2020-10-04 27826, 2020

      • CatQuest
        Freso: no, i'ts in-context of ddiscussion
      • 2020-10-04 27819, 2020

      • yvanzo
        loujine: nice mechanical keyboard ;)
      • 2020-10-04 27837, 2020

      • loujine
        oops :)
      • 2020-10-04 27807, 2020

      • rdswift
        +1 to hide from beginners.
      • 2020-10-04 27815, 2020

      • loujine
        +1
      • 2020-10-04 27849, 2020

      • KassOtsimine
        yes
      • 2020-10-04 27803, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        beep boop
      • 2020-10-04 27856, 2020

      • CatQuest
        sorry I had to go and ask the neigbour about some knocking. but it was jsut a single little thing
      • 2020-10-04 27804, 2020

      • CatQuest
        hi dosoe
      • 2020-10-04 27850, 2020

      • CatQuest
        yes
      • 2020-10-04 27801, 2020

      • CatQuest
        oh god idea! like listening on listenbrainz!
      • 2020-10-04 27808, 2020

      • CatQuest
        reosarevok:
      • 2020-10-04 27832, 2020

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      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: +1 to the sidebar, also consider how to make it easy to integrate to the future UI (chhavi's Design tickets).
      • 2020-10-04 27834, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        I'm here and listening
      • 2020-10-04 27825, 2020

      • CatQuest
        INSTRUMENTation
      • 2020-10-04 27852, 2020

      • reosarevok
        VOCALIZATION
      • 2020-10-04 27853, 2020

      • reosarevok
        Wait, no
      • 2020-10-04 27851, 2020

      • ruaok
        I found a spammer!
      • 2020-10-04 27856, 2020

      • CatQuest
        ?
      • 2020-10-04 27857, 2020

      • ruaok
      • 2020-10-04 27805, 2020

      • reosarevok
        Hah
      • 2020-10-04 27809, 2020

      • reosarevok
        Of course it's a BTS fan
      • 2020-10-04 27828, 2020

      • reosarevok
        I wouldn't even be surprised if that is just a crazy fan who wants the numbers to be big
      • 2020-10-04 27837, 2020

      • ruaok
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      • bitmap
      • 2020-10-04 27853, 2020

      • Freso
        Can someone screenshare ^ please. 🙏
      • 2020-10-04 27858, 2020

      • reosarevok
        ruaok: a lot of spammers there I think?
      • 2020-10-04 27806, 2020

      • CatQuest
        cant acess
      • 2020-10-04 27807, 2020

      • reosarevok
        I assume all WaxCastlez are the same
      • 2020-10-04 27827, 2020

      • slriv has quit
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      • reosarevok
        !m ruaok
      • 2020-10-04 27833, 2020

      • BrainzBot
        You're doing good work, ruaok!
      • 2020-10-04 27837, 2020

      • CatQuest
        cant acess
      • 2020-10-04 27847, 2020

      • Freso
        Thank you Mr_Monkey :)
      • 2020-10-04 27855, 2020

      • CatQuest
        HEY I can't acess
      • 2020-10-04 27806, 2020

      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: it's on the screen now :)
      • 2020-10-04 27810, 2020

      • reosarevok
        (at least)
      • 2020-10-04 27826, 2020

      • CatQuest
        and it's S much easie for me to see it on a computer screen than on thetiny phone scren.
      • 2020-10-04 27855, 2020

      • reosarevok
      • 2020-10-04 27800, 2020

      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: ^
      • 2020-10-04 27809, 2020

      • CatQuest
        men for faen da
      • 2020-10-04 27830, 2020

      • Freso
        At least we’re pretty good about sunsetting things compared Spotify and others that will happily take down APIs with little or no warning.
      • 2020-10-04 27836, 2020

      • CatQuest
        whatever
      • 2020-10-04 27832, 2020

      • Freso
        CatQuest: Try again
      • 2020-10-04 27806, 2020

      • CatQuest
        yes \/o success!
      • 2020-10-04 27810, 2020

      • _lucifer
        is there any metric on number of xml requests v/s json request?
      • 2020-10-04 27809, 2020

      • Freso
        zas: ^
      • 2020-10-04 27820, 2020

      • _lucifer
        +1 for json first, was going to bring up a simliar point in SOLR session
      • 2020-10-04 27831, 2020

      • zas
        nope, but I guess we could gather some
      • 2020-10-04 27812, 2020

      • reosarevok
        Oh, heh. what _lucifer said, yes
      • 2020-10-04 27822, 2020

      • alastairp
        pymbngs still uses xml by default
      • 2020-10-04 27850, 2020

      • reosarevok
        alastairp: sure, I expect a lot of projects use xml because of that
      • 2020-10-04 27802, 2020

      • reosarevok
        But say if 40% + use JSON, that'd be impressive :p
      • 2020-10-04 27841, 2020

      • alastairp
        yeah, and especially if picard now uses it, that should give some interesting results
      • 2020-10-04 27805, 2020

      • yvanzo
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      • ruaok
        LB-733
      • 2020-10-04 27836, 2020

      • BrainzBot
        LB-733: Warn spammers & prepare to block accounts https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/LB-733
      • 2020-10-04 27814, 2020

      • rdswift
        Do WS calls include the app name / contact email of the caller? If so, you might have a list of contacts to notify of pending changes.
      • 2020-10-04 27801, 2020

      • Freso
        alastairp: How difficult would it be to switch pymbngs over? Could it be done without changes for endusers?
      • 2020-10-04 27826, 2020

      • alastairp
        no, not really. because the format that we convert the xml to is slightly different to the json
      • 2020-10-04 27843, 2020

      • alastairp
        rdswift: theoretically yes, in practise who knows
      • 2020-10-04 27825, 2020

      • yvanzo
        This can be used for MBS releases: https://blog.metabrainz.org/category/musicbrainz+…
      • 2020-10-04 27826, 2020

      • ruaok
        rdswift: yes, but the people who read those instructions are likely the one who are aware of changes. :)
      • 2020-10-04 27808, 2020

      • rdswift
        Perhaps, but at least you could say that they had been notified.
      • 2020-10-04 27825, 2020

      • rdswift
        ;-)
      • 2020-10-04 27831, 2020

      • Lotheric
        as an editor, I read the blog to know about fixes and new features (and to try them out)
      • 2020-10-04 27804, 2020

      • yvanzo
        +1 Mr_Monkey
      • 2020-10-04 27807, 2020

      • Freso
        bitmap alastairp Mr_Monkey and other project leads: https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/ORG-42 - should possibly have per-project tickets for this.
      • 2020-10-04 27807, 2020

      • BrainzBot
        ORG-42: Have all (main) project repositories link to blog
      • 2020-10-04 27817, 2020

      • alastairp
        Freso: a breaking change version of pymbngs could migrate to the json endpoint, add requests, and remove about 80% of the code, so definitely a good idea
      • 2020-10-04 27838, 2020

      • alastairp
        "add requests" -> move to the `requests` package to make queries
      • 2020-10-04 27841, 2020

      • _lucifer
        can we do some other topic first Freso, unaviable for 10-15mins
      • 2020-10-04 27823, 2020

      • CatQuest
        THIS
      • 2020-10-04 27833, 2020

      • rdswift
        Good idea, but you might want to consider an "opt out" option for shy users who don't want thir comments made public to other than their followers.
      • 2020-10-04 27836, 2020

      • Freso
        rdswift: I think that might be counter to the "philosophy" of CB and LB.
      • 2020-10-04 27814, 2020

      • Freso
        We’re specifically and intentionally not supporting private "listens" and there’s no way to have hidden reviews (well, other than drafts) on CB.
      • 2020-10-04 27853, 2020

      • rdswift
        But is a comment the same as a review?
      • 2020-10-04 27806, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        I do think that there should be a clear notification that the review will be public
      • 2020-10-04 27817, 2020

      • rdswift
        (Just playing devil's advocate here...)
      • 2020-10-04 27843, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        I think the idea is to present those writings not as comments, but clearly as reviews
      • 2020-10-04 27806, 2020

      • rdswift
        👍
      • 2020-10-04 27812, 2020

      • Mr_Monkey
        "Give a short review of this track" rather than "Write a comment to your followers"
      • 2020-10-04 27809, 2020

      • CatQuest
        yea
      • 2020-10-04 27826, 2020

      • Freso
        I was just thinking that we’d moved/are moving away from using APIs "internally" :)
      • 2020-10-04 27843, 2020

      • CatQuest
        it might be ok to be "only show to logged in users" to prevent idk
      • 2020-10-04 27856, 2020

      • CatQuest
        or or, if you want to she *who* you neex to login
      • 2020-10-04 27802, 2020

      • CatQuest
        see*
      • 2020-10-04 27805, 2020

      • _lucifer
        i am interested in helping out on this user accounts projects
      • 2020-10-04 27818, 2020

      • rdswift
        Mr_Monkey, that does NOT look like a monkey. :-)
      • 2020-10-04 27818, 2020

      • CatQuest
        Freso: can't change licence after publishing
      • 2020-10-04 27833, 2020

      • Freso
        I’d say CC-by-sa should be a safe one, but CC-by could be a more CC0-ish choice.
      • 2020-10-04 27820, 2020

      • Freso
        Also, it should be possible to change a license to a more permissive one (but not the other way).
      • 2020-10-04 27823, 2020

      • CatQuest
        ruaok: it does say right in the choice exactly what it means , in ausefull
      • 2020-10-04 27842, 2020

      • CatQuest
        an usefull way*
      • 2020-10-04 27856, 2020

      • Freso
        I’d vote to drop nc as an option going forward.
      • 2020-10-04 27832, 2020

      • Freso
        It can be kept in the db for backwards compatibility, but nc is :|
      • 2020-10-04 27833, 2020

      • CatQuest
        non commercial
      • 2020-10-04 27837, 2020

      • CatQuest
        ?
      • 2020-10-04 27840, 2020

      • Freso
        Yes
      • 2020-10-04 27841, 2020

      • alastairp
        _lucifer: we've been talking about it for 3-4 years, so maybe in another 2 years or so we'll be ready to start :)
      • 2020-10-04 27847, 2020

      • Freso
        ^
      • 2020-10-04 27855, 2020

      • CatQuest
        what does that mean exactly? doesnt that mean that others cant make money of it?
      • 2020-10-04 27825, 2020

      • Freso
        Yeah.
      • 2020-10-04 27829, 2020

      • _lucifer
        alastairp: lol, i remember talks about in start of 2019 when i joined MeB community
      • 2020-10-04 27829, 2020

      • CatQuest
        my favourite is share alike give credit
      • 2020-10-04 27832, 2020

      • alastairp
        CatQuest: right. at least, not without additional permission
      • 2020-10-04 27839, 2020

      • Freso
        But it is unclear as to what extent is "make money" counts.
      • 2020-10-04 27808, 2020

      • CatQuest
        really don't want others to make money on my words/effort/work
      • 2020-10-04 27818, 2020

      • Freso
        Is it "making money" if you make a video and put it on YouTube and get ad revenue? What if you don’t, but YouTube uses your derived work to run ads and earn themselves?
      • 2020-10-04 27842, 2020

      • Freso
        Is a non-commercial company (say, MetaBrainz or WikiMedia) "making money" by asking for donations?
      • 2020-10-04 27847, 2020

      • CatQuest
        depends on the level, you, is fine, pewdiepie or youtube, no
      • 2020-10-04 27854, 2020

      • alastairp
        CB dumps are already split into nc/non-nc
      • 2020-10-04 27808, 2020

      • Freso
        "depends on the level" ← is why it doesn’t work :)
      • 2020-10-04 27823, 2020

      • CatQuest
        and that's why i use nc and don't wnat it removed
      • 2020-10-04 27846, 2020

      • _lucifer
        will do
      • 2020-10-04 27851, 2020

      • Freso
        CatQuest: "nc" is a non-free license.
      • 2020-10-04 27854, 2020

      • killme has quit
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      • CatQuest
        i don't agree
      • 2020-10-04 27808, 2020

      • killme joined the channel
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      • CatQuest
        fuck of rob
      • 2020-10-04 27822, 2020

      • Freso
        CatQuest: Please mind your manners.
      • 2020-10-04 27825, 2020

      • rdswift
        As long as the user understands, they have the option of not submitting.