for source separation we'd have to do it at an earlier stage - I don't think there's enough data in the acousticbrainz data to do anything with it
2020-10-12 28606, 2020
ruaok
but I guess we would need to re-run the low level data.
2020-10-12 28607, 2020
shivam-kapila
Screenshot
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pristine___
> Sync already feedbacked recs
2020-10-12 28616, 2020
ruaok
alastairp: yerp.
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CatQuest
yea it was borked so I used ircloud too
2020-10-12 28621, 2020
pristine___
Will be a separate PR shivam-kapila
2020-10-12 28622, 2020
CatQuest
see KassOtsimine link
2020-10-12 28628, 2020
alastairp
it's a pretty active area, especially with new deep learning techniques
2020-10-12 28642, 2020
alastairp
both Deezer and Sony presented some pretty amazing systems at ismir last year
2020-10-12 28651, 2020
shivam-kapila
pristine___: sorry but that doesnt make sense. Thats an incomplete feature then
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pristine___
I makes senses
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alastairp
I don't know if the tutorial just covered current techniques, or if they were proposing some new systems
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pristine___
Because I have made a separate branch
2020-10-12 28615, 2020
CatQuest
ok I'm out now
2020-10-12 28641, 2020
pristine___
The PR will be hugeeee if I do everything in one PR.
2020-10-12 28602, 2020
shivam-kapila
Then branch of the child pr from this and merge it into this
2020-10-12 28616, 2020
shivam-kapila
Or make feedback pr totally separate
2020-10-12 28623, 2020
shivam-kapila
And only refactor in this
2020-10-12 28645, 2020
ruaok
alastairp: I think we should keep an eye on this stuff and choose the most promising tools to include in the next low level scan for AB... when ever that will be.
2020-10-12 28604, 2020
alastairp
yeah
2020-10-12 28649, 2020
pristine___
shivam-kapila: did you look at the PR. I made a separate less file.
2020-10-12 28624, 2020
pristine___
I am not able to render the emojis in line with the text
pristine___: can we do refactor first so we can merge it today
2020-10-12 28648, 2020
shivam-kapila
And then move to feedback
2020-10-12 28657, 2020
shivam-kapila
Bkz its still some work imo
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pristine___
What refactor
2020-10-12 28609, 2020
shivam-kapila
We added a new component
2020-10-12 28616, 2020
pristine___
Yeah
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shivam-kapila
But we didnt clean up the redundant code
2020-10-12 28634, 2020
shivam-kapila
We have in Recent listens
2020-10-12 28636, 2020
CatQuest
eh. is the upperline/menu/thing on jira-tickets borked for anyone else?
2020-10-12 28637, 2020
shivam-kapila
Listen card
2020-10-12 28641, 2020
shivam-kapila
And so on
2020-10-12 28600, 2020
shivam-kapila
Lets do the cleanup and move to feedback in separate pr
2020-10-12 28604, 2020
CatQuest
also seems every page has horizontal scrolling too
2020-10-12 28646, 2020
CatQuest
I'm fairly sick of these "maintenance" jira updates every 3-4 weeks that changes colours, makes it harder to read and borks things up tbh
2020-10-12 28649, 2020
shivam-kapila
Also col-sm-9 etc are bootstrap classes
2020-10-12 28608, 2020
pristine___
The component isn't ready in my opinion. I mean I plan to put the non functional emojis properly, merge it, remove redundant code, merge it, syn feedback, merge, to have small PRs.
2020-10-12 28612, 2020
CatQuest
by all means ypdat security, but could you not f-upp the layout and such, tnx.
2020-10-12 28617, 2020
pristine___
Col-xs-9?
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pristine___
Or sm?
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shivam-kapila
Xs
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pristine___
Hmm.
2020-10-12 28652, 2020
shivam-kapila
So rec-col-xs-9 is not gonna work properly
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pristine___
I guess that's causing the issue.
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pristine___
Right
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shivam-kapila
pristine___: I am unable to align myself with your planned schedule
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shivam-kapila
Emojis are no good there
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pristine___
shivam-kapila: but for #rexommendations id, I should define col-xs-9 again right?
2020-10-12 28654, 2020
pristine___
I mean I cannot use it from #listens id?
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shivam-kapila
You dont need to ideally
2020-10-12 28606, 2020
pristine___
Oh
2020-10-12 28623, 2020
shivam-kapila
#recommendations, #listens in less
2020-10-12 28644, 2020
shivam-kapila
Comma separated selectors share styling
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pristine___
What?
2020-10-12 28635, 2020
shivam-kapila
Ah selectors in css is like how we select ids, class, element etc
2020-10-12 28638, 2020
shivam-kapila
Did you get chance to look into css mdn docs i linked
I want an updated wikidata shirt. do they sell those?
2020-10-12 28652, 2020
ruaok
or do I have to go beg lydia for one?
2020-10-12 28655, 2020
reosarevok
We asked for them nicely and got them for free :p
2020-10-12 28604, 2020
reosarevok
Begging Lydia sounds like a plan :p
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ruaok
will do then. :)
2020-10-12 28643, 2020
ruaok
I'd offer a summit shirt of ours, but she wouldn't wear it.
2020-10-12 28645, 2020
reosarevok
There's also socks, although those are more standard
2020-10-12 28650, 2020
Mr_Monkey
shivam-kapila, pristine___ : For what it's worth, I think alastairp's idea for expanding +1/++1/-1/--1 is not very clear (~= not used anywhere that i'm aware of).
2020-10-12 28650, 2020
Mr_Monkey
I think sticking to more established feedback methods would be a better idea. Emoticons should work quite well, and can be supplemented with text on hover to clarify meaning.
2020-10-12 28651, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Also, I do like the idea of showing all the emojis only once the user hovers over a feedback component.
2020-10-12 28607, 2020
alastairp
ok, cool
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alastairp
if it's not used then there's no reason to use it
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shivam-kapila
Mr_Monkey: yeah I align with your thoughts
2020-10-12 28638, 2020
Mr_Monkey
And finally, if the "this is not a good recommendation" feedback is separate (I agree on that), perhaps we could just have some text button, clearly separate from the emojis? I think it would suggest that we're not so much talking about emotions (the emojis are there for that).
2020-10-12 28646, 2020
reosarevok
So is "I really dislike this" 💩 ?
2020-10-12 28600, 2020
Mr_Monkey
🤮
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pristine___
Mr_Monkey: I am okay with what community thinks because I am not very clear about using 5 emojis. I personally would have only used thumbs up and thumbs down.
2020-10-12 28643, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Ah, that's another story :) We do need to figure out how many levels of feedback we want.
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alastairp
one thing that discussed in person is that the meaning of feedback is quite personal
2020-10-12 28650, 2020
alastairp
e.g. ruaok has said before that if he says "no" to a song, he never wants to hear it again
2020-10-12 28609, 2020
alastairp
whereas sometimes people might want to say "no, not here (or not now), but in other places OK"
2020-10-12 28619, 2020
Mr_Monkey
Right. I do think emoticons can help with that, compared to the functionally-equivalent stars rating for example.
2020-10-12 28621, 2020
shivam-kapila
alastairp: then we can have a hide rec for that
2020-10-12 28650, 2020
Mr_Monkey
I think for this idea of situational feedback "not here (or not now), but in other places OK" we'll just have to rely on if the user skipped the song.
2020-10-12 28653, 2020
Mr_Monkey
If a user really doesn't like a song at all, 😠 face is pretty clear for that, compared to thumbs down for example
2020-10-12 28612, 2020
ruaok
alastairp: I wonder if we should have a survey of how people may be interesting in giving feedback. and then distilling them into a coherent set of feedback values -- I personally dont see why "never hear this again" and "not, her but maybe ok in a diff context" should not both be available options.
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alastairp
ruaok: yeah, I think that might be useful. at least it'd give us a wider understanding of how people rate stuff
2020-10-12 28642, 2020
ruaok
I do worry about one aspect of that -- most people are unfamiliar with giving such feedback, so we would need to educate before ask for feedback
2020-10-12 28625, 2020
alastairp
I would flat out ask in a survey 1) do you use a music streaming platform, 2) do you ever use the +1/-1 buttons
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alastairp
and some questions about if they think that the system "listens" to them
2020-10-12 28612, 2020
alastairp
let me start a document with some suggestions for questions
> Very few studies have investigated which personal and situational characteristics exactly motivate and inhibit users to provide preference feedback to the system (see Pommeranz et al. 2012, for a notable exception). This is an important issue, as many recommender systems rely on explicit feedback (e.g. users' ratings) to give good recommendations.
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alastairp
> Privacy concerns may reduce users' tendency to disclose personal information (TeltzrowandKobsa 2004; Chellappa and Sin 2005; Berendt and Teltzrow 2005; Ackerman et al. 1999). On the other hand, if it positively influences their user experience (i.e. in terms of better recommendations), users may be more willing to provide feedback (Spiekermann et al. 2001; Brodie et al. 2004; Kobsa and Teltzrow 2005)
I guess I will add the window here as well, so users will know the exact dates, for eg your listens were last updates on 8 October. `Listens submitted between 1 October and 7 October have been used to generate recs`
2020-10-12 28649, 2020
pristine___
Something like this.
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_lucifer
alastairp: did you see the sentry weekly report ? It seems that after friday release events dropped from 4.4k to ~200.
2020-10-12 28654, 2020
yvanzo
I enabled SSO for Tickets using either MusicBrainz or GitHub.
2020-10-12 28609, 2020
alastairp
_lucifer: no, I didn't. that's good news! we must have had a bunch of bugs that we weren't aware of
2020-10-12 28627, 2020
_lucifer
yeah, right
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yvanzo
There is a small display bug that may hide these options on the starting page, I reported it already.
2020-10-12 28608, 2020
reosarevok
yvanzo: oh, neat
2020-10-12 28652, 2020
shivam-kapila
reosarevok: nice tee
2020-10-12 28616, 2020
shivam-kapila
pristine___: I looked in detail now and I see a lot of code that we wont need for rec component
2020-10-12 28624, 2020
pristine___
Comment on the PR please, I will remove. I wasn't clear when I was writing the first draft :)
