Gentlecat: what about new JIRA backups ? any option to save to S3 or the like ?
2016-12-05 34016, 2016
ruaok
ok, onward to dev priorities.
2016-12-05 34019, 2016
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2016-12-05 34041, 2016
ruaok
another thing that happened last week was interviewing a new supporter relationship manager person.
2016-12-05 34005, 2016
ruaok
this was BizDev, but since a lot of things I needed help with are done, I'm redefining the role.
2016-12-05 34015, 2016
ruaok
and keeping it simpler with only one hat.
2016-12-05 34033, 2016
ruaok
Freso gives her the stamp of approval as well, so hopefully we can close that deal soon.
2016-12-05 34046, 2016
ruaok
next, I want to talk about hiring a new dev.
2016-12-05 34053, 2016
ruaok
bitmap needs help, so we need a perl coder.
2016-12-05 34002, 2016
Freso
Well, from one meeting with her, sure. :)
2016-12-05 34019, 2016
Gentlecat
zas: I didn't look into that
2016-12-05 34027, 2016
Gentlecat
I imagine you can just copy files there
2016-12-05 34045, 2016
ruaok
and MBS-1806 also looms on the horizon as well. I need to review where we stand there, I want to take a different approach than what I tried last time.
2016-12-05 34016, 2016
ruaok
my thought is to have Gentlecat look after the python related projects with a given priority list: 1) MeB 2) LB 3) CB
I will probably start over and write the specification in its entirety myself.
2016-12-05 34013, 2016
Gentlecat
I hate to ask, but what was wrong with the old approach?
2016-12-05 34031, 2016
ruaok
the specification was a mess and our dynamic on it was horrible.
2016-12-05 34033, 2016
Gentlecat
seems wrong to just throw away all the work that's been done
2016-12-05 34045, 2016
Freso
That's what you sometimes need to do.
2016-12-05 34047, 2016
ruaok
it easier to start fresh.
2016-12-05 34052, 2016
ruaok
*is
2016-12-05 34018, 2016
zas
bitmap, ruaok: have a look at stats... queen move had a pretty impressive impact... basically response time atm is the same as the one we have in dead hours...
2016-12-05 34026, 2016
ruaok
so, do we start looking for someone with perl skills before xmas or do we wait until the new year?
2016-12-05 34036, 2016
ruaok
zas: in a bit, please.
2016-12-05 34008, 2016
ruaok
well, I also want to finish the yearly reports, so I may not have time to hire someone anyway. until jan.
2016-12-05 34018, 2016
bitmap
I'd say the sooner the better but after the new year might be less hectic
2016-12-05 34019, 2016
zas
someone with perl skills ... better ask for Christmas...
2016-12-05 34021, 2016
ruaok
any thoughts on my proposed ideas.
2016-12-05 34027, 2016
ruaok
lol, zas
2016-12-05 34046, 2016
ruaok
bitmap: if you can write a job description, we can get the ball rolling sooner.
2016-12-05 34053, 2016
zas
and yes, sooner = better anyway
2016-12-05 34003, 2016
Freso
I say January is a good time to start actively looking.
2016-12-05 34005, 2016
bitmap
different from my own?
2016-12-05 34006, 2016
ruaok
and may be we can ask Freso to help publicize it.
2016-12-05 34015, 2016
Freso
Sure.
2016-12-05 34028, 2016
ruaok
I think a bit less emphasis on your sysadmin prowess.
2016-12-05 34056, 2016
Freso
December is going to be busy with putting out remaining fires from the move, GCI, and general random disappearances due to holiday season.
2016-12-05 34056, 2016
ruaok
that will make it harder to find someone. but you're most qualified to write the description since you live it weekly.
2016-12-05 34021, 2016
bitmap
right, I can look at it
2016-12-05 34022, 2016
ruaok
well, lets see about knowing what we want before the year is out, so we can start fresh in jan.
2016-12-05 34026, 2016
ruaok
great, thanks.
2016-12-05 34039, 2016
ruaok
now, google money and dev priorities.
2016-12-05 34058, 2016
ruaok
dev bonuses have been mentioned and given that xmas is coming, I think the whole team might need bonuses thanks to google.
2016-12-05 34004, 2016
ruaok
no brainer.
2016-12-05 34014, 2016
Freso
FWIW, it seems like https://opensource.careers/ makes a living off connecting Perl developers with companies. I don't know if it'd be worth maybe spending some of the Google moneys on him?
2016-12-05 34025, 2016
ruaok
the recurring thought in the comments was the mb site design and UX.
2016-12-05 34001, 2016
ruaok
I am thinking of setting aside $2000 for monkey to lay the ground work for a UI refresh -- less look and feel, but more function and ease of use.
2016-12-05 34028, 2016
ruaok
have him set the stage that others can implement piecemeal over months time.
2016-12-05 34036, 2016
Freso
Is monkey an active editor? Does he know how the site functions?
2016-12-05 34039, 2016
ruaok
gcilou has expressed interested in helping with that.
Might be interesting to ask if he's interested in getting involved? Dunno
2016-12-05 34027, 2016
ruaok
Let me ask both of them about this proposal see what they think.
2016-12-05 34035, 2016
reosarevok
He definitely has edited quite a bit :)
2016-12-05 34035, 2016
Freso
Yeah. And he's definitely a very active forum user at least. Not sure about how much he edits, but it seems to be a fair amount too. :)
2016-12-05 34042, 2016
zas
We really need to make the site more user-friendly, my thought is that MB without tons of userscripts isn't great at all as editor
2016-12-05 34049, 2016
Leftmost
I had seen that suggestion and was wondering if it would make sense to try to come up with general patterns that would work for both MB and BB. I'm not sure what burden that would place, but it would move toward my eventual vision for BB.
2016-12-05 34052, 2016
ruaok
I'm going to be cautious with this one, given the gsoc debacle from a few summers ago.
2016-12-05 34053, 2016
Freso
Agreed.
2016-12-05 34056, 2016
reosarevok
Agreed, but then I mostly edit classical. Without classical it's not *that* bad
2016-12-05 34009, 2016
reosarevok
But still could be much better
2016-12-05 34013, 2016
ruaok
Leftmost: yes, I would like a style guidelines for UI development to come out of this.
2016-12-05 34017, 2016
ruaok
perhaps some tools as well.
2016-12-05 34019, 2016
Freso
Leftmost: That might be nice.
2016-12-05 34021, 2016
reosarevok
I think we need to worry less about great UI for powerusers though
2016-12-05 34030, 2016
Freso
Yeah.
2016-12-05 34031, 2016
reosarevok
(because those *will* use userscripts anyway)
2016-12-05 34047, 2016
reosarevok
It should be more about making things as clear and helpful as possible for beginners
2016-12-05 34048, 2016
ruaok
ok, given that we're running out of time, I'll leave this be for now.
2016-12-05 34007, 2016
zas
Power users are using extra scripts, but i think newbies need improved UI to reduce errors, and encourage editing
2016-12-05 34007, 2016
ruaok
please think about what is important going forward. what things would you want to fix?
2016-12-05 34012, 2016
reosarevok
Of course if something just doesn't work at all without scripts it should be improved, but :)
2016-12-05 34016, 2016
ruaok
we need to define out target audience and our overall goals.
2016-12-05 34030, 2016
yvanz agrees with zas, twice.
2016-12-05 34038, 2016
ruaok
I will start a google doc to collect these thoughts formally in the new year.
2016-12-05 34051, 2016
Freso
👍
2016-12-05 34055, 2016
reosarevok
Sounds good :)
2016-12-05 34059, 2016
ruaok
but, I think everyone has enough fires to put out for the remainder of the year, yes?
2016-12-05 34005, 2016
Freso
Lets take cookie and vote discussion next week?
2016-12-05 34010, 2016
Freso
Let's
2016-12-05 34016, 2016
ruaok
and then come new year, we'll se the tone for the new year.
2016-12-05 34020, 2016
Freso
I don't think we can do either in <1min.
2016-12-05 34022, 2016
ruaok
Freso: ok by me.
2016-12-05 34027, 2016
ruaok
agreed.
2016-12-05 34028, 2016
Freso
Alright then.
2016-12-05 34032, 2016
Freso
Thanks for tonight. :)
2016-12-05 34044, 2016
ruaok
anytime, hot stuff!
2016-12-05 34046, 2016
zas
Thanks, Freso ;)
2016-12-05 34049, 2016
ruaok
errr. :p
2016-12-05 34000, 2016
Freso
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2016-12-05 34001, 2016
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2016-12-05 34014, 2016
Freso
ruaok: Was waiting for the magic moment. :)
2016-12-05 34017, 2016
Leftmost
We went 1s over.
2016-12-05 34034, 2016
Leo_Verto
MB target audience is an interesting question, maybe conduct some user polls?
gcilou goes back to writing the essay about her skills hopes and dreams ...
2016-12-05 34003, 2016
ruaok
k, then what happened at 20h?
2016-12-05 34016, 2016
ruaok
we hit capacity and things went to shit?
2016-12-05 34024, 2016
chirlu
Hard to tell, but whatever it was, it seems to have normalized already before queen was brought in.
2016-12-05 34034, 2016
chirlu
Which was at 20:57.
2016-12-05 34016, 2016
zas
There are plenty of things i can't explain yet, i will dig this tomorrow with more stats. For example, why Queen has slower response time ? It handles less ws requests than others though weight is the same, and why processes/threads on hip didn't move while queen came into play
2016-12-05 34021, 2016
ruaok
the blue line in the bottom graph is also telling.
2016-12-05 34025, 2016
ruaok
nothing new...
2016-12-05 34044, 2016
ruaok
didn't bitmap say queen is replicating?
2016-12-05 34044, 2016
zas
beware, some stats may have 1-2 minute delay
2016-12-05 34048, 2016
ruaok
if so, that might explain it.
2016-12-05 34014, 2016
Gentlecat
chirlu: about the vote thing you wanted to discuss...
2016-12-05 34035, 2016
Gentlecat
I might be missing something, but it looks like they are public by default in new version
2016-12-05 34052, 2016
chirlu
Oh, good.
2016-12-05 34052, 2016
Gentlecat
I don't know if that's something that can be changed
2016-12-05 34012, 2016
Gentlecat
or if that's just for admin users
2016-12-05 34020, 2016
zas
But it solved the issue, loads on webservers are now much better, response time is the ~same than during low hours
2016-12-05 34026, 2016
chirlu
For the ancient version, it could be changed. No idea about the old one.
2016-12-05 34049, 2016
zas
bitmap: what do you think about this (queen) ?
2016-12-05 34030, 2016
chirlu
Gentlecat: No, I can’t see votes on jirabrainz.gentle.cat.
