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      • chhavi_
        Ruuaaookk :D Good to have you back :)
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      • ruaok
        :D
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      • chhavi_
        Got a few updates for you on the mockups too. But it will take longer chatlogs (and patience). Let me know whenever, I will be happy to run you through them!
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      • ruaok
        let me take care of a few things, then we do a little
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      • chhavi_
        sure thing!
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      • ruaok
        iliekcomputers: alpha-importer is no more.
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      • ruaok takes off his hat and lowers his head
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      • ruaok
        in honor of iliekcomputers first commits
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      • jwf
        !m iliekcomputers
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      • BrainzBot
        You're doing good work, iliekcomputers!
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      • iliekcomputers
        :)
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      • ruaok
        zas: any reason why I should not relinquish babar (alpha.listenbrainz.org) now?
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      • reosarevok
        Because the name is cool?
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      • reosarevok
        I mean, poor elephant
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      • reosarevok
        !m iliekcomputers, indeed
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      • BrainzBot
        You're doing good work, iliekcomputers, indeed!
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      • chhavi_
        Freso: you got my email about the JIRA design tickets thing? I hope it makes sense.
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      • yvanzo
        bitmap: I wonder whether bootsy crash is related to the stuck edit reported in MBS-9512. I did not find a way to reproduce this issue for now. The easiest way to unblock it seems to close it with failure directly in the DB, otherwise we might consider hotfixing with https://github.com/yvanzo/musicbrainz-server/comm… although I’m unhappy with adding a special
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      • BrainzBot
        MBS-9512: Changing recording name to empty string should not be allowed https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9512
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      • yvanzo
        case here.
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      • ruaok
        chhavi_: what'cha got?
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      • ruaok
        zas: when you have a minute, I'd like some help please.
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      • chhavi_
        okay, just give me a sec.
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      • chhavi_ goes to find the prototype link
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      • zas
        ruaok: i'm trying to fix nagios atm, encountering a chef issue i need to solve, i'll ping you when ready
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      • ruaok
        no rush, zas.
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      • chhavi_
        ruaok: so I made like a *all smoke, no fire* prototype of the artist page
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      • chhavi_
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      • chhavi_
        ^ you can access it here
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      • ruaok
        not sure I've heard this expression before.
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      • chhavi_
        It only has a few pages linked. To give you an idea of the flow
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      • chhavi_
        When you have it up your screen, let me know. I will lead you through the smoke :p
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      • ruaok
        up
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      • chhavi_
        So I changed a few things after coming back from summit
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      • chhavi_
        I compared discogs and last.fm and other sites, and the thing that we were most lacking in, was engaging people
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      • ruaok
        I see subscribe, add and edit are much more prominent
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      • chhavi_
        Like it's very unclear to new users that there are so many things that they can do with this data and on MusicBrainz
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      • ruaok nods
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      • chhavi_
        Yes, so just to give them options, and let them know, "hey, you might want to stick around", I think doing this will help
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      • chhavi_
        The "about the band" card is there, a little plus minus of fields
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      • chhavi_
        Next down in there is the "explore card"
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      • chhavi_
        I think you can click on the drop down there, it should work :p
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      • ruaok
        the dropdown works, but doesn't go anywhere. I guess that is as intended.
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      • chhavi_
        Yeah, smoke. Just to give you an idea :)
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      • ruaok
        k
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      • chhavi_
        Next thing you might want to do is try the clicking the "edit page" icon
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      • chhavi_
        It should show you a pop up asking to sign in
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      • chhavi_
        The idea behind being, "you can do all this, just need to quickly sign in"
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      • ruaok is following
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      • chhavi_
        And now, there is a more editor-ish interface. The same interface, yet with all the details we neeed to add
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      • chhavi_
        Like all the cards have an edit icon, and option to select
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      • chhavi_
        Tags are votable
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      • ruaok
        the rock (9^) notation is not entirely intuitive to me
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      • chhavi_
        Yes, not to me either. I am still thinking on ways to improve that
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      • ruaok
        but, I like the Add a Tag button.
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      • ruaok
        ok, great.
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      • chhavi_
        Still needs work on what we are putting on "sort by" as well
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      • chhavi_
        But this was almost all about the "artist page" flow
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      • chhavi_
        what do you think?
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      • ruaok
        I like it -- it also looks a bit more like what we have now, so that should ease the transition for some users.
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      • chhavi_
        Yes, I am intentionally not going all *fancy* with the interface.
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      • chhavi_
        I guess our main aim is to fix the user flows first
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      • ruaok
        another thing I would like to see in this mock-up is the "upload this cover-art" link. for items displayed that do not have cover art.
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      • ruaok
        yes, our users *hate* fancy UIs.
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      • chhavi_
        Noted about the cover art part
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      • chhavi_
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      • ruaok
        ideally we should add a UI element for every piece of data which invites the user to participate.
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      • chhavi_
        Now this is what you would see if you do "see more" on events card
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      • chhavi_
        Yes, on the same page as you with adding pieces of data that invite engagement :) That should be easy once we have a template.
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      • chhavi_
        "Write a review" for cross brain pollination? What do you think?
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      • ruaok
        yes, please!!
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      • ruaok
        this is looking quite good!
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      • chhavi_
        Other things that I am *really* excited for is our "user dashboard". I see so much potential in it. We can have so many things that a user could possibly do. I want it to be to that nice, that people will never want to log out of it :D
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      • ruaok
        :D
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      • zas
        ruaok: i update nagios configs, but both instances are showing false alerts ... not sure what is going on, but please ignore alerts for now. US instance & Frankfurt instance have troubles to connect to Hetzner it seems
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      • ruaok
        odd, ok.
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      • chhavi_
        I think you are okay with the structure. There are details to these mockups that need to be worked out. I will take help from reosarevok and Freso and others in our community to do that.
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      • ruaok
        yes, I'm ok with it. But also consider that I am not the best judge of this. I am far from a power user on the site.
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      • ruaok
        I'm quite encouraged by what you're doing. :)
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      • chhavi_
        Yes, Freso is on our JIRA design tickets thing. Once it's done, I plan on slicing it a bit and asking for feedback on tickets.
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      • chhavi_
        We did discuss a design ticket workflow with our in-house JIRA experts too :)
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      • chhavi_
        Next thing that I would want in your notice is some of the discussions we had regarding the "add an event" page
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      • chhavi_
        it's our first *edit* page, so I want to be careful with it
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      • chhavi_
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      • chhavi_
        ruaok: If you could open this link and scroll down to *placement of relationships* section, I will give you a bit of context
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      • ruaok is there
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      • chhavi_
        So basically there are two ways we can place "relationships" in our redesign
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      • chhavi_
        One is contextually. Like venue makes sense with date and time
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      • chhavi_
        But this way we will be scattering our relationships, unlike what we have now
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      • ruaok
        I think that could be a good thing, no?
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      • chhavi_
        And the other way, is to do it, how we do it now. A relationship editor box with a few default relationships
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      • ruaok
        because lumping them into "relationships" in one spot is confusing.
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      • chhavi_
        Both has it's pro and cons. Freso and reosarevok played the two sides of my debate very well :p
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      • chhavi_
        As you can read in the doc.
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      • chhavi_
        Sorry for not typing both sides of the debate again, but it's there in the doc :)
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      • samj1912
        ruaok let me know if you want to do the search schema discussion as a meeting agenda or as a discussion between you me and bitmap. I'll remove it from the agenda otherwise.
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      • ruaok
        better smaller to start with, samj1912.
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      • ruaok
        bbiab, sorry
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      • TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz| Google Code-In https://goo.gl/8xSZem | Meeting agenda: reviews, Google Code-in (Freso)
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      • samj1912
        Done
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      • zas
        bitmap: ping
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      • Freso
        zas: https://forum.flossinfra.net/ might maybe be of interest to you?
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      • Freso
        chhavi_: Yep, you mail arrived safe and sound. :)
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      • Freso
        Heads up (for people who might have forgotten already): meeting is in just over an hour from now.
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      • ruaok
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      • Freso
        ^
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      • bitmap
        zas: pong
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      • zas
        hey bitmap
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      • bitmap
        yvanzo: I don't think it's related to the crash personally (never seen ModBot cause something like that)
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      • bitmap
        zas: hey
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      • zas
        can we make meb website redundant ?
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      • bitmap
        yvanzo: I wonder if we even validate that the name in the 'new' field is non-empty, I guess that comes from /ws/js/edit. if we don't it might be better to fix there then when the edit is being accepted
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      • bitmap
        *than when
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      • bitmap
        zas: I guess one issue is that it needs to serve replication packets, so it has to be on the same machine as the musicbrainz-production-cron container currently (it shares a volume)
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      • zas
        so, can we make musicbrainz-production-cron somehow redundant ?
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      • zas
        Freso: yup, might be interesting, creating an account
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      • bitmap
        not really, since the dumps/packets can only be generated once, by one machine
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      • bitmap
        but we can perhaps rsync them to another volume afterward
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      • zas
        ok, i just want to start something about this issue, the current situation isn't great at all
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      • bitmap
        I think we can put an nginx container in front of the packets and still use X-Accel-Redirect to server them from any machine
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      • bitmap
        though this would have to be moved somewhere https://github.com/metabrainz/metabrainz.org/blob…
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      • bitmap
        since it looks at the filesystem directly
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      • chemdream
        Hi all. Any idea how to fix this error? "Can't locate package Catalyst for @MusicBrainz::Server::ISA" when I run plackup -Ilib -r
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      • bitmap
        did you follow INSTALL.md to set up the server?
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      • chemdream
        Yeah, with no errors.
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      • chemdream
        Everything up to this point seemed perfect
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      • bitmap
        if you run 'env', you should see some environment variables like this: https://gist.github.com/mwiencek/23d10861ca1077a6…
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      • chemdream
        Actually, is running that necessary to be a slave DB? All I really need is for the DB to auto update from the master MB DB.
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      • bitmap
        and the catalyst package should live somewhere at ~/perl5/lib/perl5/Catalyst*
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      • bitmap
        ah, well in that case no, you don't need the website running to pull in replication packets. but it should have installed it regardless, so might hint at other issues
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      • chemdream
        I have the right env vars. Searching them for Catalyst. Thanks!
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      • Freso
        <BANG>
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      • Freso
        Hey people.
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      • Freso
        iliekcomputers: Around?
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      • iliekcomputers
        Hi!
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      • Freso
        iliekcomputers: Go. :)